Cyclists 6 abreast

[oneofsix]

How do they train for organised traffic control races in that scenario?

By that argument those who want to race on the cemetery circuit can train there now, in normal traffic?

[imdying]

How do they train for organised traffic control races in that scenario?

Dunno... do motorcycle road racers train on the road? Probably, probably on the track, and given that Ruapuna has a 6 lap cycle race every Wednesday night, I don't see why they can't do it there too.

[HenryDorsetCase]

By that argument those who want to race on the cemetery circuit can train there now, in normal traffic?

I have been. I'm just saying.

[oneofsix]

I have been. I'm just saying.

keep an eye peeled for and other motorists when doing so, unlike the pedalpushes described in the OP

[HenryDorsetCase]

Im not god mate and cannot be bothered even thinking about it to be honest.

All I know is they are dangerous to them selves and a Total pain to the drivers/riders to be riding the way most do, and trying to police them and the 2 abreast rule is near on impossible as there is to much scum out there for the police to deal with now ( Not on the roads, P drugs granny bashers etc)

I personally carry a bottle of water with Food dye in it and SQUIRT the shit out of any arse holes taking up the road in a 100k zone.

Yes I am a prick, but most know that anyway

I don't think you're a prick at all, but I would say this (my only serious contribution to this topic by the way, all piss taking aside): all this talk of "BAN THEM" and "run them off the road" and "they're a menace" comes from an attitude that drivers and motorcycle riders are inherently superior to other road users. That fragmentation, that slicing ever thinner mentality is what gets us the ACC funding levy fuckup - from "we're all in this together, its a public good so requires public funding" to "oh, well I only drive 500 k's a year in my nana car to the shops and back so I shouldnt have to pay".

My point is that the underlying divide and conquer mentality is incorrect. We, the citizens of this country, pay for our roads (and so much else of our infrastructure), so we all get to use it. If you want to drive your car, ride your bike, or ride your motorbike, thats all good, thats what its for. As soon as one user group starts singling out another, where does that leave us all? Up shit creek. It is exactly the same argument that car drivers and the LTSA propaganda ministry otherwise known as the AA use "Motorcycles shouldnt be allowed on our roads: they go too fast and when they crash they cost so much money, plus they might be enjoying themselves and we can't be having that in NewfuckingZealistan"

See what I'm saying? Playing the blame game is wrong, and pointless because it will come and bite you in the ass.

My recipe for fixing things:

Make a driver's licence harder to get (like in Chermany) and easier to lose (zero BAC, two strikes and you're out)

tax ACC where you are guaranteed to pay more if you use more: that's right, at the petrol pump.

Reverse the onus of proof: in Holland, if a car hits a cyclist, it is automatically presumed to be the car driver's fault, unless they can establish otherwise.

Abolish speed limits. All of them.

Enforce our existing rules regarding Careless, Reckless and Dangerous driving. Thats right folks, the myth that "speed kills" is laid to rest. What kills? Fuckwitism, not driving for the conditions, being pissed or stoned or distracted. That can happen at 49 or 99, or 51 or 101.

De amalgamate the Pleece and traffic pleece (not so sure about that because I dislike creating more bureaucracy)

Abolish infingement notices, and instant fines: every ticket gets you a Court appearance, and every one has the possibility of "do not pass go, do not collect $200, hand your licence to the bailiff and walk home". My view of infringement notices and instant fines is that they are regarded like reverse Lotto tickets: every time you ride, you play lotto, but sometimes you get a losing ticket. But only sometimes. and the odds are good enough that you think "fuck it, Ima go for it".

Here endeth the lesson. Sorry thats a bit of a rant. :blush:

[shrub]

Here endeth the lesson. Sorry thats a bit of a rant. :blush:

I have read about a brazillian posts on KB and nearly as many articles in newspapers and letters to the editor, and yours is, without doubt, the most sensible one to date.

Will you please run for President.

[willytheekid]

Great Thread!

My 2cents...

I like cyclists.....they generally follow the rules as well as the rest of us.
But every now and then you do get a pack of them all spandexed up and thinking they own the road (port hills!...their everywhere but left!).....but thats their call, as it is MY call to snicker evilly...drop a gear and watch the "scatter" effect that a big block V-Twin with termignonis can initiate....hilarious!
No speeding involved (its a guzzi..."Mostly" all talk lol) or endangering anyone, just a bit o fun and clear roads ensured.

Spandex lol......its just rude!....and a bike with NO MOTOR

[Shaun]

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Abolish infingement notices, and instant fines: every ticket gets you a Court appearance, and every one has the possibility of "do not pass go, do not collect $200, hand your licence to the bailiff and walk home". My view of infringement notices and instant fines is that they are regarded like reverse Lotto tickets: every time you ride, you play lotto, but sometimes you get a losing ticket. But only sometimes. and the odds are good enough that you think "fuck it, Ima go for it".

Here endeth the lesson. Sorry thats a bit of a rant. :blush:

Instant fines means having More Police out there, and as I said, they are too busy chasing real scum out there

Court appearances costs US the TAX payers more money

And how do Cyclists pay for the road mate? No rego etc bla bla

Yea they may own cars etc and a house, ( They are already recieving the same as us for there buck) so how does this help pay for the police actions you speak about?)