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    I guess if you own and drive a truck for a living you wouldn't be much impressed with the fee going on fuel, the existing system is fairer to all, the amount levied however is not.

    If as bikers we campaign to have the ACC levy put on fuel we will become the laughing stock of NZers and politicians as well.
    Don't judge me based upon your ignorance.

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    I still think ALL vehicles should have RUC's & the charges should be on that .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    I still think ALL vehicles should have RUC's & the charges should be on that .
    RUC's don't cover off roaders where as fuel would. Fuel would also get you when mowing the lawn or on your boat (dreaming). Fuel wouldn't get veggy oil burners, electric or fully cover hybrids.
    Oh what a perfect world we live in
    Basically there isn't a one solution fits all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill-k View Post
    I guess if you own and drive a truck for a living you wouldn't be much impressed with the fee going on fuel, the existing system is fairer to all, the amount levied however is not.

    If as bikers we campaign to have the ACC levy put on fuel we will become the laughing stock of NZers and politicians as well.
    Please explain how the existing system is fairer.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Remove the levies on ACC but dont put it on fuel

    Instead, tax shagging. Since owning a bike I have been very much lacking in that department, must be me sweaty gonads in this hot weather.

    That would work for me...

    Or, better still, increase the levies for politicians cars. Those flash beemers the poliies have treated themselves to could do with a nudge.

    Dont tax pies though, I will be right fucked off if they do that....

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    Those flash beemers the poliies have should all be axed except maybe the prime ministers theres nothing wrong with a new commodore and in a few years time when they upgrade again they could be passed on to the cops so they can get the thrashing they deserve

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    Basing it on the amount of petrol you use is unfair as different vehicle types have different risk factors. Bikes are known to have a much higher risk factor than your standard passenger vehicle, yet they use less fuel (generally) and therefore would pay less ACC.

    Not that the current system is fair - but ACC are starting to make some mutterings that should improve the system.

    Reading a lot of the posts on here, I think people need to be a bit better informed about what the levy is used for and what the statistics are before they make judgement. There is a lot of useful (and motorcycle specific) information on the ACC website.

    ACC - for motorcyclists

    ACC Levy Consultation - info for motorcyclists

    "For the past six years, our levies have been set so that ‘other vehicle’ owners fund 88-90% of the costs of injuries sustained by motorcycle and moped riders. The table below shows the percentages since 2000/01."

    Levy Consultation

    Recommendations for Levy Rates for motorists

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    but again it comes down to very few people own just a motorbike

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    How about multi vehicle discount?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellzie View Post

    Not that the current system is fair - but ACC are starting to make some mutterings that should improve the system.

    Reading a lot of the posts on here, I think people need to be a bit better informed about what the levy is used for and what the statistics are before they make judgement. There is a lot of useful (and motorcycle specific) information on the ACC website.


    "For the past six years, our levies have been set so that ‘other vehicle’ owners fund 88-90% of the costs of injuries sustained by motorcycle and moped riders.
    not been around here long have you
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    Quote Originally Posted by lone_slayer View Post
    but again it comes down to very few people own just a motorbike
    Yea I know what you mean, so that percentage is somewhat skewed, but I would think even if you consider that most bikers also have a car, other drivers are still somewhat subsidising motorcyclists to some extent.

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    Can someone start a poll to find out how many vehicles we all own?
    ie
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    Bike + car
    bike x2 + car
    bike + car x2
    more than 2 bikes + car
    Bike + more than 2 cars

    Would be really interesting where we all stand on this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellzie View Post
    Yea I know what you mean, so that percentage is somewhat skewed, but I would think even if you consider that most bikers also have a car, other drivers are still somewhat subsidising motorcyclists to some extent.
    Fuck that. ACC is no longer operating the way it was originally designed. Risk-rating based on vehicle type is a crock.
    I have NEVER had an ACC vehicle claim, so I am personally subsidising all those who have/do.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneofsix View Post
    RUC's don't cover off roaders where as fuel would. Fuel would also get you when mowing the lawn or on your boat (dreaming). Fuel wouldn't get veggy oil burners, electric or fully cover hybrids.
    Oh what a perfect world we live in
    Basically there isn't a one solution fits all.
    Nope got that right, maybee a split with ACC on fuel all other road charges on RUC's? But still won't quite cover electric vehicles but then with RUC's being able to be individualised to groups guess we could just add their ACC in there
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    I think it's Nick Smiths daughter.....

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