You have swallowed the bait havent you?
70$ per car in cross subsidization is a total myth - do the math
2.15 MILLION x 70$ = a shitload more than motorcycle injuries add up to for an entire 5 years let alone the current 'to be funded' year
I still argue this point at every MSL meeting I attend
Buy a better quality calculator before accusing those who have been involved in this issue for 2 years of not having 'correct data'
I for one have far more current data and numbers than ACC's website.
Just ride.
can anyone add that poll? i wanna know how many of us are paying multiple amounts of acc
I admit I have read the data assuming it is right, and if it's not it doesn't surprise me. Very interested to see your current data? is it available for download somewhere?
Yes I have only recently started reading about all this, have tried to be well informed before voicing my opinion, and am not saying that EVERYONE else is uninformed but I do think that SOME of the comments on here are quite unrealistic and unfair or not workable.
Enjoying the discussion though..
Nice idea - you can make the poll yaself just start a new thread
I have
1x Toyota Caldina (shared ownership)'
3x big bore mootrcycles (my own)
Missus has a gsx250 (hers)
5 vehicles....... I see fuel as a very valid option, also catching the teenager using the lawnmower (the missus son)
Fuel works and provides equity and for a truckie its a business expense and is still likely cheaper than the current commercial levy they pay
Just ride.
There's a lot of us that have almost lived and breathed this problem for 18 months. There is almost nothing we haven't heard or thought about or explored. One thing we have all learned is that ACC and Nick the Prick tell lies. You would do well to remember that whenever you come across any sort of 'official' release from either of them.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Coming into this discussion relatively green, and going only by what I have read, I am just saying it as I see it. I am very interested in it and would like to find out more, so if you could point me in the direction of more accurate information, would be much appreciated. Also, I think key word there is "almost nothing" .. you should welcome new voices with new opinions, rather than dismissing them so quickly. Fresh minds often come up with new ideas that haven't been discussed or thought of. I may not be one of them, but then again I might be.
Yes, you might. Not flaming any suggestions you may have...UNLESS they are based on info you have garnered from official releases. Such as the 'subsidy' issue. Or even the 18x more likely to have an accident crap. For instance.
Take a week or so to trawl through the ACC forum here. Read everything. Including all the linked reports and studies etc. Then you will know what most of us know.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Really? The levy you pay goes up with the distance traveled, more fuel used. Most accidence occur within 5k of home. Therefore the long distance traveler has the lower risk of accident but the higher levy.
I was told a long time ago that a mistake with NZs accident stats was they are based on death per population whereas when you look at deaths per k traveled our rates are average to low.
Also more k's traveled tends to mean more experience and therefore saver operator
There is never going to be a levy option which satisfies every combination of user / vehicle / km's travelled.
The big issue is to quote from another thread "the difference between equality and equity" when actually all we want is a system that does not discriminate based on some form of risk/fault based formula.
Email Dr Charles Lamb - associate Proffessor of Lincoln University and the head of the Australaisian Institute of Motorcycle Studies
He can give you more information
And...just check the numbers with a 10$ warehous calculator
All this info is here on this website as well if you search the ACC campaign section - I am at work and limited to brief responses at present
Just ride.
As you can see from the posts on here it is almost impossible to come up with a plan that suits and is fair to all road users, heaven knows a lot of us have been trying since the tyrannical regime came down so heavy and unjustly on our case.
I for one welcome any new perspectives on the issue but it has to be based on the facts as they are not on the proven bare faced lies of the ACC nick Smith.
Seriously mate, those statistics are falsehoods and propaganda designed to fool the electorate... and it did, Even you as a biker coming to this issue late in the day have taken that data as legitimate and truthful and referenced it as such.
I hope someone can point you in the direction of the legitimate statistics so you can see what we've all been fighting for and hopefully come on board.
Truth is we got shafted majorly and unjustly, proven over and over again, getting TPTB to acknowledge their deceit and correct it so the system is fair to all is one hell of a task.
Oh bugger
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