Too busy for burglaries

**RDJ** · 18th February 2011, 11:58

I shouldn't bite, but I will

1. Kahui twins murdered but these "energies" of which you speak were initially devoted to being exquisitely culturally insensitive and not pushing interviews... no need to repeat in detail that sorry saga, I think we're all well aware of the sequence of events following the deaths of the little ones

2. Let people get way with small crimes, practically encourage them to commit more crimes by ensuring taxpayer-funded publicity makes the victims seem responsible " don't park your car out on the street" " don't leave valuables in sight" and so forth, and of course they will graduate to bigger crimes. And murder no longer means life imprisonment... thanks judges. /sarc

**SMOKEU** · 18th February 2011, 12:18

It's rather sad that we live in a country where we don't have the right to defend our own property, or ourselves.

If someone were to catch someone burgling their house, then the home owner should be allowed to shoot the offender with a firearm. It's legal in many parts of the USA, and it seems to work.

**RDJ** · 18th February 2011, 12:25

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

It's rather sad that we live in a country where we don't have the right to defend our own property, or ourselves.

If someone were to catch someone burgling their house, then the home owner should be allowed to shoot the offender with a firearm. It's legal in many parts of the USA, and it seems to work.

And the main reason that happens is because the criminals and the police both want a monopoly on violence.

As they also say in the US "when seconds count the police are only minutes away...". This is NOT bashing the police; but it IS criticising their superiors especially the Minister.

**imdying** · 18th February 2011, 13:43

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

It's rather sad that we live in a country where we don't have the right to defend our own property, or ourselves.

No, go back a step. It's rather sad that we live in a country where we should have to defend our own property, our ourselves, at all.

**SMOKEU** · 18th February 2011, 14:20

Originally Posted by imdying

No, go back a step. It's rather sad that we live in a country where we should have to defend our own property, our ourselves, at all.

We need to stand up en masse and tell the government that we will not tolerate crime. I'm not talking about minor traffic infringements, but I'm talking about violence and property crime, among other things such as fraud etc. Something needs to be done before things get completely out of hand. A large proportion of the young generation is taught to disrespect authority, and it won't be long before this country heads in the way that South Africa has once Apartheid ended, but to a less drastic extent.

If we want the nation to prosper, and to get out of this crippling debt then the last thing we need is a reputation as a comparatively lawless society. The recent publicized assaults on tourists are exactly what I'm talking about. While it's impossible to stamp out crime completely, it's a small minority of the population who are causing the majority of crime.

**imdying** · 18th February 2011, 14:44

The government can't do shite mate, it's we as a society that needs to change.

**Spazman727** · 18th February 2011, 15:15

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

It's rather sad that we live in a country where we don't have the right to defend our own property, or ourselves.

If someone were to catch someone burgling their house, then the home owner should be allowed to shoot the offender with a firearm. It's legal in many parts of the USA, and it seems to work.

Do you really want to model our society on America's?

I agree that we should be able to physically defend ourselves and our property, but is shooting some wayward kid really the best answer? Does that not make you as bad, if not worse than the criminal? I know you will say that this wayward kid may turn out to be a career criminal, but he just as easily might not, and you just shot some 14 year old kid who has very few options in life anyway.

It's like capital punishment, executing a criminal just makes you the same as them and isn't your point that your are better than them?

Don't get me wrong, If someone broke into my house, I would do my best to incapacitate them and make them wish they hadn't, but I don't think killing them is the answer. If they have a weapon, however, that is a different matter. That means they intend to do something more than just rob you and in that case I think they are fair game.

**red mermaid** · 18th February 2011, 15:51

As you say it seems to work so you must have knowledge of burglary rates.

What are the burglary rates for each state of the US and in particular for those states that allow homeowners to shoot burglars, as compared to NZ burglary rates?

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

It's rather sad that we live in a country where we don't have the right to defend our own property, or ourselves.

If someone were to catch someone burgling their house, then the home owner should be allowed to shoot the offender with a firearm. It's legal in many parts of the USA, and it seems to work.

**SMOKEU** · 18th February 2011, 16:03

Originally Posted by red mermaid

As you say it seems to work so you must have knowledge of burglary rates.

What are the burglary rates for each state of the US and in particular for those states that allow homeowners to shoot burglars, as compared to NZ burglary rates?

I'm not sure, but since they're allowed to shoot the thieving cunts that must surely put a serious dent in the ****** population.

**imdying** · 18th February 2011, 16:09

You know that the burglars can carry guns as well, right?

**RDJ** · 18th February 2011, 16:15

Originally Posted by imdying

The government can't do shite mate, it's we as a society that needs to change.

Again, not to disagree for the sake of disagreement, but those of us who like you and we work and pay taxes and look after our own kids (while paying for those who do not etc. etc.) - WE do not need to change. The murderers, child molesters, rapists, childkillers, wife- and child- beaters, thieves all need to change but do not and will not as long as the consequences of not changing are pretty dam* painless and we keep funding their lack of impulse control.

So we as a society do not all need to change; we do need to change the pressures on the lawless so they either conform with civilised behaviour or they get locked up.

If I have to pay Danegeld I would rather pay the same amount of money I presently pay toothless police, private security, and everything that goes with that, more directly to secure prisons where yes, people get locked up in unpleasant conditions and do not have any contact with society. Letting them mix in our society makes them no better and they make our society worse. QED...

**RDJ** · 18th February 2011, 16:23

Originally Posted by imdying

You know that the burglars can carry guns as well, right?

Cities in the US with gun control have higher rates of gun violence than cities in the US where it is legally possible to carry a gun.

As has been said elsewhere "The relatively easy availability of guns in the United States may mean that some who want to commit murder or suicide can do so more easily than otherwise. But the numbers indicate that the vast majority of guns in America are not put to use against other human beings, and that guns are not essential to commit a crime."

Overall robbery and assault rates in the United States are comparable to other developed countries, such as Australia and Finland notwithstanding the much lower levels of gun ownership in those countries...

With respect however, we do not need to debate the issue as one between guns or not guns. Guns are only a problem when a criminal gets one. If the criminal is not on the street in the first place, he / she is not a problem for us to solve with 'our' gun...

**red mermaid** · 18th February 2011, 16:36

So in other words...you just took a wild arsed KB guess and thought that if a story is repeated enough times it will become a so called fact?

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

I'm not sure, but since they're allowed to shoot the thieving cunts that must surely put a serious dent in the ****** population.

**Coldrider** · 18th February 2011, 16:40

Originally Posted by red mermaid

So in other words...you just took a wild arsed KB guess and thought that if a story is repeated enough times it will become a so called fact?

I just love it when cops post crap on KB, it blows up their faces just about everytime.
Who is Broad covering today?

**Kickaha** · 18th February 2011, 17:58

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

You get used to it very quickly.

why would you want to "get used to it"

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

It's rather sad that we live in a country where we don't have the right to defend our own property, or ourselves.

If someone were to catch someone burgling their house, then the home owner should be allowed to shoot the offender with a firearm. It's legal in many parts of the USA, and it seems to work.

A report I read some a decade or so ago said that quite a few homeowners were shot with their own weapons

Originally Posted by Coldrider

I just love it when cops post crap on KB, it blows up their faces just about everytime.

Yeah because that NEVER happens to the non cop members does it