Eric Buell Racing 1190RS first look!

[White trash]

First google listing C&P - there are plenty.

BIKE MAGAZINE has listed the top 50 cornering bikes, ever, snip....

1. Buell XB12R Firebolt

2. Aprilia RS125

3. Triumph Daytona 650

4. 1956 BSA Gold Star

5. BMW R1200GS

6. GSXR600 ('05)

7. 1975 Ducati 900SS

8. Buell XB12S Lightning

9. Aprilia Pegaso Strada

10. Husaberg FS Supermoto 650e

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...ording-to-you/

Maybe on biliard table like surfaces, but throw some decent bumps or corrogations mid turn, as per Rimataka or Pie Cock Hill road and I'll take a decent wheelbase, less radical geometry bike like a GSXR/R1/CBR/ZX every day of the week thanks. Also, I would be interested to know how EBR have addressed the overheating and warping of the ZTL, rim mounted brake disc. I note the ZTL2 on later Buells are an eight piston caliper. Maybe the theory is that if you clamp it all the way round, the disc wont be able to warp lol.

That being said, the disc on the 1190RS APPEARS to sit more proud of the wheel rim and hopefully will get some cooling to it. Also makes it more vulnerable in an accident though.

[HenryDorsetCase]

the one I really like is the German one where they had tidied up the rads and had a shroud that morphed into the bellypan, and the riding position was like a Lightning: sit up.

think I can find it now? not so much. It was on the Kneeslider too IIRC.

[buellbabe]

Ok...
Firstly this is not a big leap of faith for Buell riders, having already embraced the 1125 R and CR its not that far removed...

The exhaust pipe, if you look closely you will see that its a mere bolt on that is only there to please the authorities who otherwise say its too loud. That awful 'extra' bit of pipe comes straight off and you have the clean line of the base underslung unit.

And as far as the best cornering bikes are concerned.
The XB12R definately holds that crown.
Firebolts absolutely ROCK! So aggressive and such fun to ride.

Oh and for those who thought Buell was dead. Keep up will ya? LOL. Less than 2 months after HD shafted Buell, Erik was up and running with Erik Buell Racing. He has always maintained that there would be more street bikes cos he knows his loyal fans want them and he really listens and takes that stuff on board. He is a real man and not a faceless corporation.

Getting back to the newest kid on the block tho...I will be very interested to see who puts their hand up for an Australian dealership.

My 2c...can't wait to see it in the flesh....oh yea baby...

[Big Dave]

Maybe on biliard table like surfaces, but throw some decent bumps or corrogations mid turn, as per Rimataka or Pie Cock Hill road and

I'll take my XB12X and its longer travel suspension and upright ergonomics. Any day. The sports bike crouch and forward bias is crap for unreliable surfaces too.

[buellbabe]

[QUOTE=White trash;1129992679]Maybe on biliard table like surfaces, but throw some decent bumps or corrogations mid turn, as per Rimataka or Pie Cock Hill road and I'll take a decent wheelbase, less radical geometry bike like a GSXR/R1/CBR/ZX every day of the week thanks. QUOTE]


I have ridden the Rimatakas MANY times (yep! I live in Aucks and I can honestly say that!) and 'Pie Cock" hill not quite as much but still enuf to know that the X1, XB12R AND the CR just eat those roads and I have had absolutely NO issues with less than perfect road surfaces!

Actually the very first time I did the Rimas I was on the CR following AJ on his XB and trailing a long way behind was my other mate on his gixxer... ho hum

[White trash]

Oh I'm the first to admit, the Buell sports bikes handle well, just not the best on the planet in those conditions. I've done various trips on both roads riding an XB9R, 12R and a 12S. At full flight, the XB9R was by far the best if a little hard on its tyres. I'm not keen on the pitchyness the short wheelbase agravates when you encounter a decent bump, full lean at speed. But my real concern is the front brake discs which are either made of chocolate, or simply overheat too easily. That's a real pain in the arse.

[Big Dave]

Actually the BIKE article was about cornering - and made some distinctions that it wasn't about handling. 'Handling' included braking and other factors.

I also asked some of the guys that race 1125s to comment on the ZTL brake. I'll paste any replies.

[Ocean1]

hmmmmm... farking horid pipe set up same with the head light, I prefure the earler design ---> Attachment 232737

Me also.

Who's supplying the V-twin for it? Rotax?

It's the same engine, H. The 1125, bored a tad.

But my real concern is the front brake discs which are either made of chocolate, or simply overheat too easily. That's a real pain in the arse.

I still haven't worked out why some have trouble and some don't. My XB12R was good, once I worked out what pads to use. I had hard-to-isolate harmonics with the XB12X, changed everything except the disc to no effect. I normalised and surface ground the disc, which cure the bitch... for exactly one front brake application. It got a nice new disc courtesy of teh scooter centre, which worked fine.

The 1125 has been abused on Manfeild until it was visibly straw yellow and and I had no problems with it. The only bitch I've got is a minor one, the often reported low initial bite on the road. You get used to it.

The problem is with either the particular bit of disc material or it's first few heat cycles, p'raps a combination of both. Either way it seems you get various levels of performance depending on the disc itself, change it and the performance often changes.

[slowpoke]

It looks a shitload better than the 1125R that's for farkin' sure!

But for 1098R money? With zero racing pedigree? With no mention of the 1098R's traction control or quick shifter? A brake system that the half dozen or so serious racing Buell's I've seen have junked? And I'd nearly bet the house that the donk won't rival the Duc's.

It may well be a quick road bike but it'll sell on exclusivity and point of difference, not the outright performance that a 1098R provides. But good luck to him.

[dangerous]

I still haven't worked out why some have trouble and some don't.

same, I have heard of a few discs warping, been waiting for it to happen but with 40+k on the 12R ridden hard including raced several times... disc is mint.

[ajturbo]

same, I have heard of a few discs warping, been waiting for it to happen but with 40+k on the 12R ridden hard including raced several times... disc is mint.

"MY" XB is clocking over 35,000 MILES... nothing wrong with the disc, it has been around Manfeild a bit.. and soon it will be at Pookie and shortly after Hampton...(track days) and i have no worries about the disc.... may need new pads though

I also asked some of the guys that race 1125s to comment on the ZTL brake. I'll paste any replies.

will be keen to hear

[Grubber]

At 40g a pop i can't see anything that would make me want to buy it.
Brand loyalty may make you head that way but sheesh....$40g. She'll be right...i'll g buy 2 or 3 other bikes that go just as well thanks.
Looks nice though!

[Big Dave]

With zero racing pedigree?

'Similar' bike won the AMA series.

[Big Dave]

At 40g a pop i can't see anything that would make me want to buy it.
Brand loyalty may make you head that way but sheesh....$40g. She'll be right...i'll g buy 2 or 3 other bikes that go just as well thanks.
Looks nice though!

It's $US40k too - It is the all carbon, all unobtainum, hand built, racer - with the stuff on it (lights) to get 'homogenized' for AMA.

The plan will be for an affordable street machine - eventually.

[Big Dave]

"MY" XB is clocking over 35,000 MILES... nothing wrong with the disc, it has been around Manfeild a bit.. and soon it will be at Pookie and shortly after Hampton...(track days) and i have no worries about the disc.... may need new pads though



will be keen to hear

Yeah - I like the brakes on mine too. It's nothing special - except for being 2.5kg of un-sprung mass lighter than a GSXR setup - but have no issues with it either - and I do a lot of stoppies.

Only criticism I have is the rear is a bit woody.

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