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[Eurodave]

Maybe the cockroach will rule the world next

TRUE DAT!!!

[placidfemme]

TRUE DAT!!!

*starts breeding my super mutant cockroahes to take over the world... after all... they were here first*

[Lou Girardin]

No species "deserves" to live. The whales' best chance of surviving is if humans want to eat them, as that means that humans will work out a way to eventually form stable population. Like other domesticated animals, fish, plants, etc.

On the other hand if we leave them alone eventually they will all die. There will be a mass extinction and they are unlikely to survive, as large animals are usually the first to go. In 10 million years humans will probably still be around, a lot of other species won't though. The most genetically weak will be the first to go (it's not survival of the fittest, it's death of the weekest which aren't the same thing). We'll probably see the cheetah go extinct in our lifetime and there's nothing we can do to stop it unless we resort to genetic engineering. The gene stock there is so interbred that cheetahs will accept skin grafts from nearly any other cheetah. You can't do that in nearly any other animal even with relatives.

Whales have done fine so far. How many million years?
Our dietary attention didn't help the Dodo, or the Bison or the Moa.
I think they're safer if inedible, but then we'd probably want to slaughter them for some other reason.

[onearmedbandit]

Why?
If I had access to a nuke, I'd happily nuke a bunch of people I didnt like. A nuke is just a large efficient weapon.. Its a shame about the enviromnental side effects.. Someoen really needs to invent a weapon that can wipe out all life on a continent without causing a nuclear winter :-)

And yet again, WTF?

Seriously, you should read some survivors accounts of nuclear attacks. Might change your tune, if not I seriously worry for you.

[SPORK]

And yet again, WTF?

Seriously, you should read some survivors accounts of nuclear attacks. Might change your tune, if not I seriously worry for you.

Yep, case rested. Nukes are horrible, horrible things. There's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many out there..

[Winston001]

Someoen really needs to invent a weapon that can wipe out all life on a continent without causing a nuclear winter :-)

Actually there is/was one - the neutron bomb. The benefit of this nuclear device is that it kills biological organisms (people) but leaves bridges, buildings etc intact. Thus the conquering heroes can stroll in afterwards and not have to worry about rebuilding.

Strangely enough, the American people were a bit appalled and didn't like that sort of bomb so told President Reagan to put it back on the shelf.

[Coyote]

What makes you think the yanks are worse polluters than china,europe,india or any other large population?Or isn't it pc to accuse third world countries and europe,of course,has strong "green" political movements,so they aren't guilty.

Touché

I know these countries are also bad polluters, I didn't say The United States of America ltd. were worse than them. Eventually pollution will fuck up this earth so bad that the govenments actually have to do something

And yes it isn't 'pc' to slag third world countries, but screw being 'pc' anyway

[WINJA]

MICROWAVE ROBERT MUGABE IF ANYONE, IF SOMEONE PASSED THE HAT AROUND TO TORTURE AND KILL MUGABE ID CHIP IN $50

[ManDownUnder]

Why?
If I had access to a nuke, I'd happily nuke a bunch of people I didnt like. A nuke is just a large efficient weapon.. Its a shame about the enviromnental side effects.. Someoen really needs to invent a weapon that can wipe out all life on a continent without causing a nuclear winter :-)

yeah BUT...

they're just a little less discriminating than... well... any other weapon I can think of really.

IF you could get all the people in one place
AND exclude all the other people
AND keep them out of the fallout zone
AND you'd exhausted all other non fatal measures to get them to change their minds or incarcerate them
THEN, yes - a nuke would be a good solution
ELSE do summat else, dismantle the nuke and use one or more of the methods detailed above
(END IF?)

I guess that's why they didn't just nuke the mountains the bin Laden was supposedly hiding. The destruction would have (probably) killed him, and 1'000s of others.

Then the Americans would have even fewer friends in the international community...

Yeah - nukes are the answer... to a very very very specific question - and one that doesn't get asked very often... if at all.

MDU

[MrMelon]

I think we should be concentrating on the real issues here. Like global warming...

[NC]

YarrrrrrrrrH matey...



I mean
Dear God.
What is that thing?

Love Ruth.

[NC]

[TonyB]

I think we should be concentrating on the real issues here. Like global warming...

Or serious pollutants like Di Hydro Oxide!!

On the subject of 'eating whales will save them'...erm... been fishing in the Marlborough Sounds lately? Most people motor right out to D'urville Island or other points right out at the northern end, because the rest of the sounds has been fished out. Been white baiting? Heaps of them left in Chch- not.

And oil- we're all working hard to conserve oil aren't we? Every year cars typically get more and more powerful, 'cause thats what WE want. A few years back the average fuel consumption for an SS Comode was 6k per litre... now its more powerful and has a 6 litre engine. Not many of us really gives a shit about the environment. We create waste at an alarming rate, and then just use it to fill in holes. We all ride around on motorbikes that use tyres- there still isn't an economic solution to getting rid of old tyres. Some of us can destroy a set in 2000k's... but hey, it's fun so who gives a fuck?

Human nature and economic pressure ensures that we only ever decide to save something we have been using heavily when there are almost none left. The whale meat gathered for 'scientific purposes' by the Japanese must sell for a hell of a premium- if whaling is allowed we will decimate their numbers in short order, simply because it's worth so much and the population base that wants to eat it is huge. Hell we nearly wiped them out when the only way of finding them was by sight ("THAR SHE BLOWS")- imagine what we'll be able to do with sonar, high tech directional microphones, spotter choppers etc etc.
Scientists have for the last few years been gathering info on migration paths etc...won't that come in handy...

Sorry for the rant. I'm not actually a greenie. I love destroying tyres, and I will keep doing so because I like it. I will continue eating meat, throwing away paper, using disposable nappies on my son and all the other environmentally unfreindly things that I currently do because it's easy. In a few years time the pine plantation on my parents farm will be chopped down, there'll be a hell of a mess, probably accelerated erosion and flash floods in the creeks- but what the hell, I'll be able to buy a faster bike that will kill tyres faster than the one I have now...

I doubt there has ever been a species on earth that is as capable of changing eco systems and causing the extinction of other species as rapidly as we can. The difference between humans and the Tyranosaurus Rex that killed and ate the last (insert extinct species here) is that WE understand that there will be no more of them. WE understand that this impacts on the ecosystem in highly complex ways and can create serious imbalances. Hasn't the El Ninio/ La Nina weather pattern been linked to algae that congregate in the Atlantic or something? Think about it- bloody Algae can control the weather! If we kill off all the krill eating whales- who's going to keep the krill numbers down? What will happen if they can breed unchecked... I wonder if they can fuck the world up as efficiently as we can.

[Jeremy]

Or serious pollutants like Di Hydro Oxide!!

On the subject of 'eating whales will save them'...erm... been fishing in the Marlborough Sounds lately? Most people motor right out to D'urville Island or other points right out at the northern end, because the rest of the sounds has been fished out. Been white baiting? Heaps of them left in Chch- not.

And oil- we're all working hard to conserve oil aren't we? Every year cars typically get more and more powerful, 'cause thats what WE want. A few years back the average fuel consumption for an SS Comode was 6k per litre... now its more powerful and has a 6 litre engine. Not many of us really gives a shit about the environment. We create waste at an alarming rate, and then just use it to fill in holes. We all ride around on motorbikes that use tyres- there still isn't an economic solution to getting rid of old tyres. Some of us can destroy a set in 2000k's... but hey, it's fun so who gives a fuck?

Human nature and economic pressure ensures that we only ever decide to save something we have been using heavily when there are almost none left. The whale meat gathered for 'scientific purposes' by the Japanese must sell for a hell of a premium- if whaling is allowed we will decimate their numbers in short order, simply because it's worth so much and the population base that wants to eat it is huge. Hell we nearly wiped them out when the only way of finding them was by sight ("THAR SHE BLOWS")- imagine what we'll be able to do with sonar, high tech directional microphones, spotter choppers etc etc.
Scientists have for the last few years been gathering info on migration paths etc...won't that come in handy...

Sorry for the rant. I'm not actually a greenie. I love destroying tyres, and I will keep doing so because I like it. I will continue eating meat, throwing away paper, using disposable nappies on my son and all the other environmentally unfreindly things that I currently do because it's easy. In a few years time the pine plantation on my parents farm will be chopped down, there'll be a hell of a mess, probably accelerated erosion and flash floods in the creeks- but what the hell, I'll be able to buy a faster bike that will kill tyres faster than the one I have now...

I doubt there has ever been a species on earth that is as capable of changing eco systems and causing the extinction of other species as rapidly as we can. The difference between humans and the Tyranosaurus Rex that killed and ate the last (insert extinct species here) is that WE understand that there will be no more of them. WE understand that this impacts on the ecosystem in highly complex ways and can create serious imbalances. Hasn't the El Ninio/ La Nina weather pattern been linked to algae that congregate in the Atlantic or something? Think about it- bloody Algae can control the weather! If we kill off all the krill eating whales- who's going to keep the krill numbers down? What will happen if they can breed unchecked... I wonder if they can fuck the world up as efficiently as we can.

Penguins. Penguin numbers have been booming as we've been killing the whales.

The thing is we don't have to worry about running out of oil. You can always make it out of coal, and we got so much of that even at an exponential increase in population it'd still take 200 years to run out. And 200 years is a long time, considering how far we came in the past 100.

Also humans have got a rather self-centered view that they believe they can wipe out life. We probably couldn't. We might manage to wipe out the larger lifeforms, however the current modern bacteria that are around are just as evolved as us. Give it another 500 million years and it'll all come back.

[Lou Girardin]

Penguins. Penguin numbers have been booming as we've been killing the whales.

The thing is we don't have to worry about running out of oil. You can always make it out of coal, and we got so much of that even at an exponential increase in population it'd still take 200 years to run out. And 200 years is a long time, considering how far we came in the past 100.

Also humans have got a rather self-centered view that they believe they can wipe out life. We probably couldn't. We might manage to wipe out the larger lifeforms, however the current modern bacteria that are around are just as evolved as us. Give it another 500 million years and it'll all come back.

Can you make fuel out of penguins?