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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave- View Post
    OH FUCK NO, NOT A MINORITY! AND THE EVIL GOVERNMENT!

    You might be right headbanger, maybe the government is out to kill us one wire rope barrier at a time in an effort to save money (is it?)...and yeah, it is your right to be indifferent to the bigger picture (which is in 1080p for the rest of us) and that is that the government doesn't give a rats ass. Now go find another country, one without wire rope barriers, if it makes you feel better, that way when you crash you can hit an on coming truck, or a solid concrete wall instead...

    You think people should leave rather then giving a fuck?

    Are you a politician by any chance?, You have the logic and credibility for a career in the backbenches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave- View Post
    Now go find another country, one without wire rope barriers, if it makes you feel better, that way when you crash you can hit an on coming truck, or a solid concrete wall instead...
    As much as I think the WRB "problem" is over emphasised I'd rather hit a concrete barrier any day than WRB
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    Nice to see the classic KB stupidity is alive and well.
    There is NO issue with having safety barriers between lanes.
    There IS issues with having the most dangerous and least effective option available that is usually installed incorrectly as the no1 choice though....
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    at the end of the day it's the sudden stop which kills you, not the barrier itself, and we can sit and argue under what circustances, what angles, what speeds, what road conditions, what model bikes with what clearance will allow you to survive an accident with either a concrete wall or a wire rope barrier all day, but i'm not going to because I have better things to do than compare 50 million variables

    F=ma that is all that counts in an accident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave- View Post
    at the end of the day it's the sudden stop which kills you, not the barrier itself
    F=ma that is all that counts in an accident.
    Wrong, the WRB's will slice you up & you will die from blood loss.

    WRB's are a hazard, they have a deflection on them that allows a car to go up to 6 metres into the oncoming lane.

    WRB's do not stop heavy vechiles such as trucks, this was proven when a Smith & davies truck went through a WRB on the southern motorway & took out a couple of cars then came to rest in some trees

    That there has been only one death doesn't alter the fact that there are better alternatives than WRB's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave- View Post
    at the end of the day it's the sudden stop which kills you, not the barrier itself
    Going by that reasoning we could have barriers with great big spikes sticking out of it

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave- View Post
    F=ma that is all that counts in an accident
    Are you university educated? you'd just about have to be to come up with something that dumb
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


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    Quote Originally Posted by jafar View Post
    That there has been only one death doesn't alter the fact that there are better alternatives than WRB's.
    Like nothing at all?
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    I see the fatalists are still alive and well....
    One death (in NZ) may not show a pattern, but it doesn't take more than a few brain cells to work out that hitting an unbreakable wire, that directs a body into a series of slightly blunt knives isn't going to have a good outcome.
    Yes, big hurty things coming the other way might be stopped from plowing into a biker - we know that has happened too. Smooth concrete will achieve the same thing, and only one strike is needed to make the concrete the cheaper option. Not to mention being 'safer' for us .
    Bikers don't nod off and/or tend to drift sideways on straight roads. But corners are where things can go bad. For any number of reasons, many of which are nothing to do with rider error. Unless a rider can be faulted for riding into a diesel slick, say. In which case, Armco posts have exactly the same outcome as WRB, for us. That has happened plenty of times, with fatal consequences. At least with Armco there is a chance if one hits it above the exposed posts.

    So - the best argument put forward by the fatalists is - you're safe from the opposing traffic - usually - and don't hit a WRB yourself.

    That reasoning would justify the safety device that is a steel spike in the centre of a car's steering wheel.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    That reasoning would justify the safety device that is a steel spike in the centre of a car's steering wheel.
    I have seen this reason from a British car safety engineer/researcher, but it was link to the perception of danger. Argument was that cars are so comfortable and isolating that the drivers don't realise the danger they are in. I don't think this is an issue for riders, we might 'miss' seeing the oil spill as mistake happen but we are looking and aware.
    WRB are a danger as the cut you up unnecessarily, they have also been shown to flip cars when safer barriers wouldn't have.
    One I particularly dislike is on SH3 to Wanganui is a wide grass run off leading to a farm fence, half way between the road and fences is a WRB, why? Why reduce the run off with an obstruction? What a waste of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Like nothing at all?
    I'd prefer to take my chances with nothing than a WRB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jafar View Post
    I'd prefer to take my chances with nothing than a WRB.
    Hell yeah...

    Hard to be hurt or killed, if you hit, or are hit by, nothing.

    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    exactly

    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    Hell yeah...

    Hard to be hurt or killed, if you hit, or are hit by, nothing.

    The price of nothing is going up to pay for the earthquake
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    "Bikers don't nod off and/or tend to drift sideways on straight roads" Quote from above post,

    Oh yes they do. Just ask me!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    Hard to be hurt or killed, if you hit, or are hit by, nothing.
    When I were a boy you considered y'self fuckin' lucky wiv nothing, a little death were nawt. I say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awa355 View Post
    "Bikers don't nod off and/or tend to drift sideways on straight roads" Quote from above post,

    Oh yes they do. Just ask me!!!
    I'm guessing you didn't have a little lie down with a cheesecutter....
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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