National slashing bureaucratic jobs

[JMemonic]

I understand that MAF, MFish and NZFSA are all to merge. Communications departments within each will be disestablished and one unit formed.

I'm all for cutting the fat, just make sure that no muscle is cut out with it.

I agree, unfortunately muscle is often cut leaving fat for some reason, there is certainly some overlap and making say one communications department, intelligence department and information sharing between certain agencies would be a wise move but merging agencies with what would appear to be just on the basis they have the same or similar initials seems well silly.

NZFSA and MAF were merged a while ago and that in some respects is sensible, there is some overlap but from personal experience it can be difficult to contact the right people in the correct agency now when one sees activity that may be unlawful in regard to fisheries this will I suspect make it more so.

Mind you at the end of the day these politicians do not listen to what the people have to say, just their advisers and 'yes' men.

[wickle]

Originally Posted by Swoop
Health service. 3 paper pushers per hospital bed?
There's more administrators than clinical staff isn't there

an every day we see them in refuelling vechiles like Subaru's , med size Toyota's etc when a far smaller vechile ie Holden Barina;s would be quite adquete for they purpose

[rainman]

Maybe it'll be one that actually generates revenue.

Money isn't everything.

[Number One]

Yeah, sounds great in theory, streamlining public service waste etc.

However, that's 65 people who now need to find a new job and may be the main wage earner for their family. I'm not saying that jobs should be kept for the sake of it, but in my experience, Government "streamlining" often just cuts jobs that aren't in the public eye, not necesserily one's that don't need doing. It may well be that the remaining staff now just have an increased workload, while the Government boasts about the savings they've made coming up to an election. But then again, I am a cynic where Governments are concerned !

AMEN

I was one of those 'streamlined' out a job...saved fuck all for them to do it and guess what? Less than a year later they still haven't replaced me and are now going to replace me with three people...how's that for savings...NOT! Saddest thing was they enquired whether I'd be interested in returning...LMAO...thanks but no thanks was my response!

BTW - I would never work in the public sector again. Crap employer if you ask me...more with less my arse. That's not what happens at all - the good people leave and move on and the useless fuckers that are actually 'really' dragging the chain (and can't get jobs anywhere else) hang in for grim death.

Good luck NZ...probably a large portion of your public sector is wondering why the fuck they bother....for a lot of them they aren't doing it for the money!

[mashman]

Money isn't everything.

it is when it's not yours

[Ocean1]

There's more administrators than clinical staff isn't there ?

Depends how you define administrators. If you mean managers then no, nowhere near as top heavy as a typical private sector health entity. If you mean non-clinical to clinical staff then yes. It takes about 40min of data entry to process a simple ED presentation, and they're not allowed to turn away snotty nosed kids.

Money isn't everything.

Then they won't miss it will they?

BTW - I would never work in the public sector again. Crap employer if you ask me...

I agree. The disease is systemic, you need to kill the host and then re-invent "public service" systems.

[Hitcher]

Maybe it'll be one that actually generates revenue.

MAFFF isn't in the business of generating revenue, well not "proper" revenue. I don't count fees charged for permits or fines charged for non-compliance as "proper" revenue.

National has a spiritual desire to create super ministries. But I can't fathom why they don't go after Ministries of No Real Value first. Start with Youth Development and Women's Affairs.

[Ocean1]

MAFFF isn't in the business of generating revenue, well not "proper" revenue. I don't count fees charged for permits or fines charged for non-compliance as "proper" revenue.

In which case it has no right to be in business at all. It's only redeeming feature might be its ability to support and regulate those that are. At minimal cost. Unfortunately the prevailing policy for any largely regulatory entity seems to be to charge the “clients” whatever the “service” costs to supply.

To this day I choke every time IRD refers to me as a client.

National has a spiritual desire to create super ministries. But I can't fathom why they don't go after Ministries of No Real Value first. Start with Youth Development and Women's Affairs.

I doubt it, I’d say their desire lies more in minimising overheads. I've no doubt at all that they suffer from the classic political lack of practical implementation, though. As for the tiddlers? maybe they're picking the low hanging stuff first, I hold hopes for any second term.

[Fatt Max]

There's more administrators than clinical staff isn't there ?

And thats the nail hit fucking hard on the head

[Motig]

Isn't this the bit where they cut staff then hire consultants at higher cost to do the same work >

[SPman]

Wasn't it National who split MAF up into seperate entities in the first place.......

[Hitcher]

Wasn't it National who split MAF up into seperate entities in the first place

Carving off Fisheries in 1995? Yes.

Carving off food safety in 2002? No.

My heart goes out to all of the MAF communications team who have, unsuccesfully, for the past 16 years tried to tell people that MAF isn't the Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries.

[shrub]

AMEN

I was one of those 'streamlined' out a job...saved fuck all for them to do it and guess what? Less than a year later they still haven't replaced me and are now going to replace me with three people...how's that for savings...NOT! Saddest thing was they enquired whether I'd be interested in returning...LMAO...thanks but no thanks was my response!

BTW - I would never work in the public sector again. Crap employer if you ask me...more with less my arse. That's not what happens at all - the good people leave and move on and the useless fuckers that are actually 'really' dragging the chain (and can't get jobs anywhere else) hang in for grim death.

Good luck NZ...probably a large portion of your public sector is wondering why the fuck they bother....for a lot of them they aren't doing it for the money!

that's pretty much bang on the money.

Our beloved masters have come up with this clever way to save money that is politicaly attractive to their core voters - get rid of those lazy, overpaid, useless bureaucrats that Labour hired in their thousands. They contribute nothing and spend all day generating red tape - cue to rerun of Glidetime.

Only problem is most of them have really useful and important jobs. We live in a complex and very well run society, and that takes a lot of people to do. When people are sacked and budgets are slashed the work still needs to be done, only now there are fewer people and less money. Which means ultimately service quality degrades. It's slow and easy to hide, and that suits our masters very well.

And the really skilled and talented people look at what's happening and the first thing they do is hit seek.co.nz - or com.au, and pack their bags and go, which leaves the people who can't readily get a job elsewhere running our country.

Then in 10 years time we all moan because our crime rate is rising, hospital waiting lists are growing, schools are pumping out people who can't read and our primary industries are now plagued with nasty bugs and shit. And nobody has the guts to stop and say we need to rebuild our stripped country which will cost money.

[imdying]

BTW - I would never work in the public sector again. Crap employer if you ask me...more with less my arse. That's not what happens at all - the good people leave and move on and the useless fuckers that are actually 'really' dragging the chain (and can't get jobs anywhere else) hang in for grim death.

I don't disagree with your comments, but try not to take it too personally, IME it's not, it's just the messed up way they're forced to operate.

[Ocean1]

that's pretty much bang on the money.

So the public services all provide good value for money?


Don't bother, since it's my money I'll decide.