Fukushima nuclear plant explosion

[spacemonkey]

You can't please the Greenies. Wind power is totally renewable etc. But it kills bird life and the land is unusable for anything else etc. You can't win.

Err I am a greenie the land is totally usable for other purposes as is demonstrated by the fact that almost every wind farm in NZ has a working farm beneath it.

Bird strike incidences in NZ are very very very low.
Go look at the greenparty policy on it.... We are very pro wind and tide power.

Ones that Don't like it are the Ngati wewereherefirst..... You ever been out to Makara?
I have and fucked If I could hear the noise that a few of the locals were bitching about??

[rainman]

You can't please the Greenies. Wind power is totally renewable etc. But it kills bird life and the land is unusable for anything else etc. You can't win.

Sure there are opposeniks that don't like anything but most greenies are pretty keen on renewables like wind and tidal.
I think the turbines around Palmy are beautiful, although I dunno if they make a hug noise in big wind for people right nearby etc. Can't hear them from the town or the road.

[Winston001]

Funny - there's an echo in here...in her...in he aarrgghh

[mashman]

You can't please the Greenies. Wind power is totally renewable etc. But it kills bird life and the land is unusable for anything else etc. You can't win.

So did the solar farms in Spain... they used to fry migratory birds... but they're still there.

[Ronin]

So did the solar farms in Spain... they used to fry migratory birds... but they're still there.

I have seen some of the migratory birds in Spain. Pommy ladies with skin like aged rawhide.

[Winston001]

Sure there are opposeniks that don't like anything but most greenies are pretty keen on renewables like wind and tidal.
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Tidal power certainly makes sense but you know as well as I do that wind power is a tiny gesture. It provides a piffling amount of electricity and none of it reliably. Even solar is 15% efficient at best. The best that can be said about these two is that they are renewable and they represent genuine efforts to find alternatives to carbon based energy sources.

Personally I like tidal but believe nuclear fusion is the future.

[marie_speeds]

Err I am a greenie the land is totally usable for other purposes as is demonstrated by the fact that almost every wind farm in NZ has a working farm beneath it

Is that why the proposed one at the Manukau Heads got knocked back in enviro court on account of it might scare some farken horses next door?

[spacemonkey]

Yes that would be the court and a local "Ngati wewereherefirst" and not the greenies.
Did any greeines like Royal forest and bird, greenpeace, green party, marua society submit against it?

[marie_speeds]

Yes that would be the court and a local "Ngati wewereherefirst" and not the greenies.
Did any greeines like Royal forest abd bird, greenpeace, green party, marua society submit against it?

You stated that working farms exist under wind farms and I countered with an example of where farm animals were used to knock back a project. Who knows what political agenda or motive was behind it, or whether the farmer who objected was a greenie, fact remains it was a perfect location and because of a ridiculous reason it was knocked back. as have most of the proposals that have thus far been put forward. At any one time we only have approximately 6 weeks worth of water storage for the hydro stations so we as a country are at a point where we need to seriously consider new generation schemes. Even the geothermal plants rely on rain water so popping more of them in is not going to help our situation.

[spacemonkey]

You stated that working farms exist under wind farms and I countered with an example of where farm animals were used to knock back a project. Who knows what political agenda or motive was behind it, or whether the farmer who objected was a greenie, fact remains it was a perfect location and because of a ridiculous reason it was knocked back. as have most of the proposals that have thus far been put forward. At any one time we only have approximately 6 weeks worth of water storage for the hydro stations so we as a country are at a point where we need to seriously consider new generation schemes. Even the geothermal plants rely on rain water so popping more of them in is not going to help our situation.

Yup, but it was the judiciary not greenies that knocked it back.... Being as how it was a court decision and all...... Hardly unknown for a judge to be in lala land at decision time is it. Owning a lifestyle bock, that's a guess based on my knowledge of the area (family have been land owners out at the Manukau heads for over 100 years) does not automatically a greenie make.

[rainman]

Tidal power certainly makes sense but you know as well as I do that wind power is a tiny gesture. It provides a piffling amount of electricity and none of it reliably. Even solar is 15% efficient at best. The best that can be said about these two is that they are renewable and they represent genuine efforts to find alternatives to carbon based energy sources.

All true. I don't suggest for one minute that these are complete solutions to enable us to continue our energy-intensive lifestyle.

Personally I like tidal but believe nuclear fusion is the future.

Agree, probably. But the Very Distant future. A.k.a. too late.

Who knows what political agenda or motive was behind it, or whether the farmer who objected was a greenie, fact remains it was a perfect location and because of a ridiculous reason it was knocked back. as have most of the proposals that have thus far been put forward.

So, w don't know the real reason "but it musta been those damn hippies"? Your prejudices are showing.

[HenryDorsetCase]

[YOUTUBE]PDNX4fRcHoY[/youtube]

Do you fear this man's invention
that they call atomic power
are we all in great confusion
do we know the time or hour

when a terrible explosion
may rain down upon our land
leaving horrible destruction
blotting out the works of man

are you, are you ready
for that great atomic power
will you rise and meet your savior in the air
will you shout or will you cry
when the fire rains from on high
are you ready for that great atomic power

there is one way to escape
and be prepared to meet the lord
when the mushroom of destruction fallsthere is a shielding sword

he will surely stand beside you
and you'll never taste of death
for your soul will fly to safety
and eternal peace and rest

are you, are you ready
for that great atomic power
will you rise and meet your savior in the air
will you shout or will you cry
when the fire rains from on high
are you ready for that great atomic power

[avgas]

I thought a shutdown caused the nuclear material to be removed from the fusion chamber? Is this the bit that failed?

Control rods were dropped all the way down, but this still requires cooling continuously as there is still reactions.
Its basically latent heat that is effectively perpetual to the half-life of the material (like leaving the element on all day, then turning it off only to have a tiny 30w short keep it warm indefinitely.)

This is the worst disaster in my lifetime, purely due the fact it is 3 in one.

After being in Japan 4 years ago, this complete guts me. They are the nicest people to meet.
I always wanted to visit Sendai. But it looks like I will never get the chance.
Anyone know if Sapporo is ok? As that was the other on my "to do" list.

[jonbuoy]

Lot of respect to the engineers working in the reactors now trying to keep things going.

[avgas]

Lot of respect to the engineers working in the reactors now trying to keep things going.

Yep - its almost a suicidal mission.
Not many people are that brave.