Queens cains access to waterways.

[Lou Girardin]

Private land - you can't go hunting there without permission now, and this is not going to change. There is no way I would want the public traipsing across my land without my approval. To many OSH problems, to much crime, vandelism and stock problems now.
Geoff

I'm referring to access to huntin' and shootin' spots. As it is now, some farmers are charging for exclusive access to trout streams. And who can afford to pay these fees - rich tourists.

[ManDownUnder]

I'm referring to access to huntin' and shootin' spots. As it is now, some farmers are charging for exclusive access to trout streams. And who can afford to pay these fees - rich tourists.

Yeah true, but then it's good for the economy... and there are always other spots to go hunt or fish in...

no?

[Hitcher]

This proposed legislation isn't about "right to roam". It doesn't affect all landusers, only those whose properties adjoin waterways "of significance" and then only a designated corridor adjoining those. It is also intended to cover designated access routes across private land to public land. It in no way diminishes the rights of property owners.

Top marks to the person who posted the references from http://www.maf.govt.nz/mafnet/rural-...issues/access/

[toads]

What do you all think about this. I'm buggered if I'd want people coming onto my property without having the right to tell them that they are tresspassing. If its good for city dwellers to have private property, then why not the rural dwellers. There is enough crime in rural remote areas allready, won't this make it worse?

I agree, most farmers are quite happy to allow people to access rivers etc but only like to be asked, I've never encountered any farmer who has denied access to me or my family, but I know of a few who get really snakey when someone goes wandering around without permission, and who can blame them. I'm right behind the farmers protesting, it's another civil liberty being ripped away.

[toads]

This proposed legislation isn't about "right to roam". It doesn't affect all landusers, only those whose properties adjoin waterways "of significance" and then only a designated corridor adjoining those. It is also intended to cover designated access routes across private land to public land. It in no way diminishes the rights of property owners.

Top marks to the person who posted the references from http://www.maf.govt.nz/mafnet/rural-...issues/access/

The only problem with this is, like the "koha" fishing rights, it can be then used as an excuse to exploit the law, and at the end of the day the only people that profit from the legislation are the crooks and the lawyers. Being a land owner, and having had cattle poached in the past, I can only say I intend to keep a lock on the gate.

[RiderInBlack]

The only problem with this is, like the "koha" fishing rights, it can be then used as an excuse to exploit the law, and at the end of the day the only people that profit from the legislation are the crooks and the lawyers. Being a land owner, and having had cattle poached in the past, I can only say I intend to keep a lock on the gate.

My Father already has had this problem. A Pot Grower was using the "Queen's Chain" to cross our property. Would not have been so bad if he had been good about it, but he had:

1. cut our gates in the middle of our breeding season. This allowed the bulls to fight each other rather than doing what should be doing.
2. emptied our water tank. If rain water is all you have this is really bad news.
3. threaten my Father with a saw-off shotgun when asked to take his house truck off our property.

It was not easy to get rid of him.

Up until then Dad had be good about letting people croos our proptery. Not now. Gates are locked and if you can not be bothered to ask us, don't expect us to let you cross.

[ManDownUnder]

My Father already has had this problem. A Pot Grower was using the "Queen's Chain" to cross our property. Would not have been so bad if he had been good about it, but he had:

1. cut our gates in the middle of our breeding season. This allowed the bulls to fight each other rather than doing what should be doing.
2. emptied our water tank. If rain water is all you have this is really bad news.
3. threaten my Father with a saw-off shotgun when asked to take his house truck off our property.

It was not easy to get rid of him.

Up until then Dad had be good about letting people croos our proptery. Not now. Gates are locked and if you can not be bothered to ask us, don't expect us to let you cross.

Yeah not good.

Get his number plate and dob him into the IRD... The police can arrest and put him in prison for a spell... but the IRD can take the truck, the pot, fine him, do nasty things to his peron... and THEN call the police to do their thing

(actually... it's sad... but true... the IRD man is the bigger threat - what does that say about the Govt priorities??)
MDU

[RiderInBlack]

Yeah not good.

Get his number plate and dob him into the IRD... The police can arrest and put him in prison for a spell... but the IRD can take the truck, the pot, fine him, do nasty things to his peron... and THEN call the police to do their thing

(actually... it's sad... but true... the IRD man is the bigger threat - what does that say about the Govt priorities??)
MDU

That's alright the Pot Grower got killed a few years ago now. Got in bed with an under age girl, and got axed by the girl's Father. Too bad the Father ended up in jail for it but. The Pot Grower was a real arse-hole. Even the Black Power had a bullet for him.

[Lou Girardin]

It's all moot now. The Gummints done yet another tyre shredding U turn on this legislation.
Principles be damned, the only principle these people believe in is the "keep our snouts in the public trough" one.

[Hitcher]

If a Labour-dominated government is returned after the election, so too will this legislation. The "drafting delays" referred to by the Associate Rural Affairs Minister are real.

And don't forget that the status quo is an unsatisfactory situation that needs to be addressed.

[What?]

Damned right Hitcher - the delays are designed to look like a u-turn in an attempt to appease the farmers in the election build-up. Post election, it will be back.

[Krusti]

It's only a matter of courtesy....ask and normally you shall recieve...plus am I then under OSH supposed to employ some one full time to sit at the gate in case some one wanders on and I have to under law advise them of the hazards.

How many multi million dollar bussiness in town would allow some one access across their property to get to the creek at the back....nada, zero, zilch.

We are really a friendly lot out here in the back blocks ya no ya all.

All we will end up doing is passing laws that allow arse holes access when normal folk allready have great access.

bla bla bla bla bla

[Lou Girardin]

It's only a matter of courtesy....ask and normally you shall recieve...plus am I then under OSH supposed to employ some one full time to sit at the gate in case some one wanders on and I have to under law advise them of the hazards.

How many multi million dollar bussiness in town would allow some one access across their property to get to the creek at the back....nada, zero, zilch.

We are really a friendly lot out here in the back blocks ya no ya all.

All we will end up doing is passing laws that allow arse holes access when normal folk allready have great access.

bla bla bla bla bla

OSH regulations only refer to workplaces. Which is why they lost their action against the Berrymans.

[idb]

OSH regulations only refer to workplaces. Which is why they lost their action against the Berrymans.

From the Government website;

Aren’t I liable for any injuries people get on my land?
No. Under the Health and Safety in Employment Amendment Act 1998, you are not responsible for injuries people might incur while on your land if you do not know they are there.

If you do know they are going on your land, you are only obliged to warn them of extraordinary risks: for example, if trees were being harvested, you would need to warn people of that and the risk of logging trucks. You do not need to warn them of natural hazards, such as tomos or bluffs.

[inlinefour]

I see another u-turn from our govt. I don't see the point in giving them a hard time as all the wanna be govt groups all suck eggs just as good as each other. Good to see the Footrots and like will be getting back into it and not having to worry about any unnessary shyte...