Climate change or global warming and who did it?

[Jantar]

Carbon taxes aren't passed on to the end user then? Because if they are, then there's no incentive to cut emissions... ....

Exactly.

How come the politicians can't see this simple fact?

[puddytat]

Are we? And even if we are, why should we?

If we can't accurately determine the cause of a change, how can we claim to be intelligent enough to do anything about it?

Then when it comes to climate change, the majority of recent resesrch shows that a warmer climate is good for the planet, while a cooler climate is detrimental. Have a look at http://www.worldclimatereport.com/in...d-we-cause-it/

Yeah I hear you Jantar, but what if the warming goes to far & the frozen methane starts melting (like on Mars) & we get runaway warming?
We may be intelligent enough to come up with some way of making some kind of living space that'll protect us from its effects, but I certainly dont think we're clever enough to be proactive about it.
As to why should we, well think of the children for a start. Or the other miracles of life that we may drag with us. I think weve become to self absorbed with our system & are neglecting the ecosystem. We all jump up & down about climate , when we STILL have done SFA about all the other problems we had before that in themselves ,are enough to be of a concern like POLLUTION & OVERPOPULATION.
Why should we?
The problem is not the WHY, its the WE. Because as a species I dont think that the "We" side of our species really exists anymore ,if it ever did. Its all about the "ME,ME,ME & if it aint about ME then I dont give a fuck" kind of attitude that is essential to this media driven consumerist winner only society that this system is.
I think we are at a pivotal point in our evolution & to take the next step & take our destiny in our hands NOW while we can.
Or we blissfully self medicate it all away.....Or start praying that the Revelation comes....
No, Im not self medicating at the mo.

[mashman]

Exactly.

How come the politicians can't see this simple fact?

Because it'll be someone elses problem and their shares will fall

[Woodman]

The elephant in the room???

Its easy to start making a difference. Try the following:

Only use vehicles for essential purposes. e.g. Don't ride your bike for pleasure.

Remember every little bit helps and we need to start somewhere.

[Jantar]

....I think weve become to self absorbed with our system & are neglecting the ecosystem. We all jump up & down about climate , when we STILL have done SFA about all the other problems we had before that in themselves ,are enough to be of a concern like POLLUTION & OVERPOPULATION.....

I'm with you 100% on that issue. That is why I get upset about the claims of Mann made globull warming, and how man is supposed to be the cause, and about how detrimental it is, while at the same time neglecting the serious problems that our planet does face.

[puddytat]

The elephant in the room???

Its easy to start making a difference. Try the following:

Only use vehicles for essential purposes. e.g. Don't ride your bike for pleasure.

Remember every little bit helps and we need to start somewhere.

Sorry but the meds are kickin' in and I cant decided wether your for real or takin' the piss, but either way Me likey...

[Edbear]

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Only use vehicles for essential purposes. e.g. Don't ride your bike for pleasure.

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I thought that was the whole reason for having a bike...!!!

[Swoop]

Does anyone know the final resting place of this tax money?
Who gets it, and what is it used for?

It all goes to Charlie Sheen to be used on hookers and cocaine. Any other use would be a waste.

scientists are now giving us between 30-50 years to possible extinction as a species!

These would be the same "scientists" who study geology and cannot predict earthquakes?

[imdying]

These would be the same "scientists" who study geology and cannot predict earthquakes?

That's nothing... we have people working in simple industries that can't even keep their products in one piece all the time... Boeing, Airbus, etc etc

[Edbear]

It all goes to Charlie Sheen to be used on hookers and cocaine. Any other use would be a waste.

These would be the same "scientists" who study geology and cannot predict earthquakes?

Google dying oceans as a good start. The research I've done shows opinions ranging for the death of the oceans between 30-40 years. Over 40%, that's nearly half, of the commercial fishing catch is dumped as rubbish. The normal fish stocks that we consume, are now becoming so depleted that you can guarantee the price of fish will rise dramatically over the next few years.

I think one scientist reckoned Man may last another 100 years, but most by far predicted a max of 50. Over 90% of the world's rainforests are gone and the remaining is being cut down at the rate of a football field sized area each second!

The most extreme forecast was that within our lifetime, most air-breaething life will be extinct.

[imdying]

I'm not sure why the end of humanity is such a big problem??? Something else will replace it and the world will keep on turning *shrug*

[george formby]

I'm not sure why the end of humanity is such a big problem??? Something else will replace it and the world will keep on turning *shrug*

In the grand scheme of things our extinction & bit of climate change is business as usual for mother Earth.

Deep down I think our reaction is " we fucked up, lets do something so we feel better" and "who cares, show me the money".

Take your pick, the world keeps turning & nothing lasts forever.

[imdying]

Take your pick, the world keeps turning & nothing lasts forever.

Ain't that the truth... big meteorite, effects of the moon leaving our orbit, sun going supernova... all the human effort in the world isn't going to prevent extinction eventually. But, given that we'll be well dead by then, an unaware of it, just like the billions before us, what does it actually matter when the actual point of extinction is? Oh yeah, it doesn't!

[marty]

according to a documenentary I saw recently, the permafrost is also holding an awful lot of methane underneath it too... which, if what the science folk say is true, is a more baderer green house gas than CO2... ah well, it's only the north

cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wofv9...eature=related

[Woodman]

What a clever species we are.

We invent a thing called an economy.
The economy is basically the reason we have fucked the environment therefore dooming us as a species.
We know how to fix the environment but we won't because it will ruin the economy.

Intelligence aye, what a great asset.