White Poppies?

[Oscar]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-stan...py-not-welcome

I tend to agree with the editorial:

To pin a red poppy on one's lapel is to convey an understanding for what our forebears gave and the sentiments, such as respect, regret, hope and despair, that have come to define our sense of nationalism.

To be offered a white poppy as well, as some sort of simplistic counterpoint in the name of "peace", particularly in April, is redundant and unwelcome

Maybe the White Poppy people should find another date.

[mashman]

Disagree. Those who fought for my freedoms did so to bring about peace. Perhaps they should make a red and white poppy as in no way do I see it detracting anything away from those who fought.

[ellipsis]

...have to agree with OP on this...there are another 11 months in the year...why April...

[Oscar]

Disagree. Those who fought for my freedoms did so to bring about peace. Perhaps they should make a red and white poppy as in no way do I see it detracting anything away from those who fought.

What a surprise.

ANZAC day is a remembrance.
White Poppy day is about peace.
Both worthy, but not quite the same. Why can't the two be kept separate?

[rustyrobot]

ANZAC day is about a lot of different things to a lot of different people. For some people it's remembrance, for some it's a chance to score a few political points, for some it's about glorification of the military, for some it's about the madness of war.

I don't see how white poppies detract from people wearing red, or why it needs to be seen as somehow offensive. I find it much more offensive to hear grandstanding from politicians, who are the same sort of people that sent 18,000 New Zealanders to die needlessly in WW1.

Wear red, wear white, remember who will send who to die, and who won't be the ones to fight.

[mashman]

What a surprise.

ANZAC day is a remembrance.
White Poppy day is about peace.
Both worthy, but not quite the same. Why can't the two be kept separate?

I'm not saying that they can't be kept separate... but I don't see the point. The red poppy is used for Remembrance Day. Why doesn't ANZAC Day have a different colour? They all fought for peace.

[buggerit]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-stan...py-not-welcome

I tend to agree with the editorial:



Maybe the White Poppy people should find another date.

plus 1, another time and a white ribbon might be more appropriate.
The poppies are red because that is the colour that the feild poppies were that grew in many of the ww1 battlefields where our forefathers
spilt their blood.

[Oscar]

I'm not saying that they can't be kept separate... but I don't see the point. The red poppy is used for Remembrance Day. Why doesn't ANZAC Day have a different colour? They all fought for peace.

Who says they fought for peace?
They fought for all sorts of reasons; adventure, freedom, patrotism, to keep their family safe, nationalism, imperialism, peer pressure...

None of us have a right to judge them.

[SMOKEU]

Who cares what colour the poppies are? As long as they're proper opium poppies; Papaver somniferum, then that's what really counts.

[caseye]

OK, so of all those who have posted in this thread, please step forward all those who have served in their countries armed services.
Right then, a red poppy IS for ANZAC day.
A white, apologist flower is neither for peace or sacrifice but about being a bunch of do gooders trying to rewrite history, the way they'd like to see it.
Just my take on things, my poppy will always be red and God help the turkey who shows up on parade with anything remotely white on either side of their chest.

[mashman]

Who says they fought for peace?
They fought for all sorts of reasons; adventure, freedom, patrotism, to keep their family safe, nationalism, imperialism, peer pressure...

None of us have a right to judge them.

My Grandad....

You're right and I wasn't.

[willytheekid]

plus 1, another time and a white ribbon might be more appropriate.
The poppies are red because that is the colour that the feild poppies were that grew in many of the ww1 battlefields where our forefathers
spilt their blood.

This! +1

...and the only one on here to use the historical facts surrounding the RED! poppies

"In Flanders fields"

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.


Source- http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/war/anzac-day/poppies

...Least we forget

(And I TOTALLY agree...there are another 11 months in the year to choose...and a shit load of other flowers that could also be choosen...they are clearly piggybacking ANZAC day...nothing to do with "peace"...just shameful marketing!)

[Mo NZ]

"The persistence of the "peace poppy" brigade to piggyback on Anzac commemorations shows both a lack of respect and understanding for New Zealand's most hallowed day".

[frogfeaturesFZR]

"The persistence of the "peace poppy" brigade to piggyback on Anzac commemorations shows both a lack of respect and understanding for New Zealand's most hallowed day".

Agreed....

[MD]

"The persistence of the "peace poppy" brigade to piggyback on Anzac commemorations shows both a lack of respect and understanding for New Zealand's most hallowed day".

The same approach was used to hijack and corrupt the meaning of the word marriage. Makes me wonder if the same sort of people hang out in the peace brigade?