Climate change or global warming and who did it?

[Edbear]

My brother just sent me this, source unknown, accuracy unknown. Interesting opinion...


>> Finally. Someone telling it like it is.
>>
>> All of you out there across the globe who have fought so hard to
>> tackle the hideous enemy of our planet, namely carbon emissions, you
>> know .......that bogus god you worship of "Climate Change" or
>> "Global Warming"......well, I feel it is necessary to inform you of
>> some bad news. It really does pain me to have to bring you this
>> disappointing information.
>>
>> Are you sitting down?
>>
>> Okay, here's the bombshell. The volcanic eruption in Iceland, since
its
>> first spewing of volcanic ash has, in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY
>> SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2
>> emissions on our planet - yes, that's what I said......all of you.
>>
>> Of course you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying
>> to suppress - it's that vital chemical compound that every plant
>> requires to live and grow and to synthesise into oxygen for us
>> humans and all animal life.
>>
>> I know, I know.... (group hug)...it's very disheartening to realise
>> that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while
>> suffering the inconvenience and expense of: driving Prius hybrids,
>> buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your
>> kid's "The Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of
>> your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet
>> paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your
>> SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of Bali, nearly
>> getting wiped off the planet every day on your bicycle, replacing
>> all of your $1 light bulbs with $10 light bulbs ....well, all of
>> those things you have done, have gone down the tube in just four days.
>>
>> The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four
>> days - yes - FOUR DAYS ONLY by that volcano in Iceland, has totally
>> erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast,
>> carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet
>> spewing out this crud any one time - EVERY DAY. Has a 'greenie' ever
>> told you that? Indeed, do they even know?
>>
>> Oh, I don't really want to rain on your parade too much, but I
>> should mention that when the volcano Mt Pinatubo erupted in the
>> Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the
>> atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in its entire 40
MILLION YEARS on earth.
>> Yes folks, Mt Pinatubo was active for over one year - think about it.
>>
>> Of course I shouldn't spoil this touchy-feely tree-hugging moment
>> and mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the
>> well-recognised 800-year global heating and cooling cycle, which
>> keep happening, despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect
climate change.
>>
>> I'm so sorry. And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic
>> ash cloud but the fact of the matter is that the bush fire season
>> across the western USA and Australia this year alone will negate all
>> your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three
>> years. And it happens every year......are you right there? Perhaps take
a seat.
>>
>> Remember that your government is trying to impose a whopping carbon
>> tax on you on the basis of the bogus "human-caused" climate change
scenario.
>> No mention of a Tax on all the emissions caused by Prescribed Bush
>> Fire Burning?
>> The Prescribed forest burning in Victoria alone puts more CO2 into
>> the atmosphere that all power generation in Australia in one year?
>>
>> Hey, isn't it interesting how they don't mention "Global Warming"
>> any more, but just "Climate Change" - you know why? It's because
>> the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these
>> global warming bullshit artists got caught with their pants down.
>>
>> And just keep in mind that now the same government is in control,
>> you will have an Emissions Trading Scheme - that whopping new tax -
>> imposed on you, that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you
>> poorer. It won't stop any volcanoes from erupting, or bush fires
>> happening that's for sure!
>> Please pass this on so' everyone can know the truth on the "Global
>> Warming - Climate Change" CON by Governments to introduce a new TAX

[Jantar]

I have seen this before. I'm glad you mentioned "accuracy unknown" because it is far from accurate. What was closer was that the drop in emmissions from grounding all the aircraft almost exactly matched the CO2 put out from that (impossible to pronounce) volcano.

Unfortunately, having inaccurate information like this being used as an argument against the AGW scaremongers just strengthens their case and weakens the science.

[admenk]

This came from the US oil industry perhaps ??

[Edbear]

I have seen this before. I'm glad you mentioned "accuracy unknown" because it is far from accurate. What was closer was that the drop in emmissions from grounding all the aircraft almost exactly matched the CO2 put out from that (impossible to pronounce) volcano.

Unfortunately, having inaccurate information like this being used as an argument against the AGW scaremongers just strengthens their case and weakens the science.

It would be nice to have reference to scientific data supporting claims, like how much CO2 was produced by the volcano, and as you say, how much is produced by all the aircraft, or even just the commercial airliners, per day. How much is absorbed by the Earth's vegetation, etc.

I do know the Northern Permafrost is now melting and releasing enormous amounts of CO2 and this will snowball over time and is of course irreversible. The loss to date of over 90% of the world's rainforests must also be having a hugely detrimental effect on climate.

[wysper]

People will believe what they want to believe. Rarely will they let facts get in their way.

The anti climate change will agree with the above.
The pro climate change brigade will trot out their 'facts' in response.

The earth will continue to turn.

[admenk]

The earth will continue to turn.

..or will it ??

[mashman]

I do know the Northern Permafrost is now melting and releasing enormous amounts of CO2 and this will snowball over time and is of course irreversible. The loss to date of over 90% of the world's rainforests must also be having a hugely detrimental effect on climate.

according to a documenentary I saw recently, the permafrost is also holding an awful lot of methane underneath it too... which, if what the science folk say is true, is a more baderer green house gas than CO2... ah well, it's only the north

[Edbear]

People will believe what they want to believe. Rarely will they let facts get in their way.

The anti climate change will agree with the above.
The pro climate change brigade will trot out their 'facts' in response.

The earth will continue to turn.

I'd rather find proven scientific data and check that out...

[Scuba_Steve]

I have seen this before. I'm glad you mentioned "accuracy unknown" because it is far from accurate. What was closer was that the drop in emmissions from grounding all the aircraft almost exactly matched the CO2 put out from that (impossible to pronounce) volcano.

Unfortunately, having inaccurate information like this being used as an argument against the AGW scaremongers just strengthens their case and weakens the science.

If I remember right, the amount of emission's from a volcano was steeply decreased after the one in Iceland went off.
Went something like before the volcano 1min of it spewing stuff was like 1yr of all human activity, after it was like total volcano is only like 1 car 1 day (obviously figures are probably off but you get the point)

This came from the US oil industry perhaps ??

BP & shell I believe are actually supporting climategate financially in a BIG way

[Devil]

What a load of bollocks.

As an aside, I have spoken to a NIWA technician about the atmosphere data they have collected and brought up the climate change thing. Their response was that there was 'no question' that the place is warming faster than it would normally do so.

[oneofsix]

What a load of bollocks.

As an aside, I have spoken to a NIWA technician about the atmosphere data they have collected and brought up the climate change thing. Their response was that there was 'no question' that the place is warming faster than it would normally do so.

What's normal?

[Edbear]

What a load of bollocks.

As an aside, I have spoken to a NIWA technician about the atmosphere data they have collected and brought up the climate change thing. Their response was that there was 'no question' that the place is warming faster than it would normally do so.

I think the real issue is how much humankind is contributing to the overall picture as against how much is a natural cycle of change.

[Devil]

The planet goes through climate cycles, evidence of that are the ice ages.
Use google from here...

[Devil]

We've got one of the most advanced research stations in the world.
http://www.niwa.co.nz/our-science/atmosphere/lauder

Just sayin that the scientists there are in no doubt that the temperature is changing faster than it should.

[Scuba_Steve]

What a load of bollocks.

As an aside, I have spoken to a NIWA technician about the atmosphere data they have collected and brought up the climate change thing. Their response was that there was 'no question' that the place is warming faster than it would normally do so.

NIWA, the same lot being sued for inaccuracies & data manipulation?