Climate change or global warming and who did it?

[oneofsix]

The planet goes through climate cycles, evidence of that are the ice ages.
Use google from here...

but the problem is the rate and depth of change keeps changing and modern human has no reliable record of change therefore 'normal' is a best guess based on floored computer models. Ain't it luvely.

I think the real issue is how much humankind is contributing to the overall picture as against how much is a natural cycle of change.

too true and should we really be replacing carbon filament light bulbs for mercury ones given the pollution risks of mercury? etc.

[Devil]

NIWA - Lauder station. The guys collecting the data.

[Devil]

... based on floored computer models. Ain't it luvely.

That'd be flawed, mate.

[oneofsix]

That'd be flawed, mate.

does that come under spelling, grammar or just plan stupid?

[Edbear]

does that come under spelling, grammar or just plan stupid?

Call it a typo...

[Spearfish]

So there is consensus amongst the scientific community now?

Hmm maybe I will wait until then.

[george formby]

Boing boing boing! That's me jumping up & down that is.

Lots of things indicate the climate is changing & rapidly, scientists are gathering more & more data from a greater variety of sources & the answer coming out of the computer is the same, tis true.

Natural, man made, a combination of both, giant bees frottaging in the planets core.... Whats the argument?

Who is thinking about how as a species (or even your household) we will deal with these inevitable changes?

I keep having a horrible premonition that in decades to come we will be collectively running around screaming for help & wondering what to do, in between bouts of killing each other.

[admenk]

I keep having a horrible premonition that in decades to come we will be collectively running around screaming for help & wondering what to do, in between bouts of killing each other.

That's what we do now

[imdying]

Meh, I'll be dead by the time it's a problem. Meanwhile, I'm gonna go use some oil up.

[Edbear]

Meh, I'll be dead by the time it's a problem. Meanwhile, I'm gonna go use some oil up.

Do it while you can afford to mate! The price of oil is going to keep rising until it's not affordable anymore. I can see $3 a litre being not too far away...

[Spearfish]

Boing boing boing! That's me jumping up & down that is.

Lots of things indicate the climate is changing & rapidly, scientists are gathering more & more data from a greater variety of sources & the answer coming out of the computer is the same, tis true.

Natural, man made, a combination of both, giant bees frottaging in the planets core.... Whats the argument?

Who is thinking about how as a species (or even your household) we will deal with these inevitable changes?

I keep having a horrible premonition that in decades to come we will be collectively running around screaming for help & wondering what to do, in between bouts of killing each other.

So how does paying tax like we do now help or change anything?

[Drunken Monkey]

So how does paying tax like we do now help or change anything?

It makes Al Gore and his carbon trading cronies even richer, that's how it changes things.

[Edbear]

So how does paying tax like we do now help or change anything?

The theory is to encourage development of cleaner, more efficient processes and make polluting expensive. However, the simple fact of rising fuel costs will do the same and have a more immediate and greater effect....

[george formby]

So how does paying tax like we do now help or change anything?

Our taxes are contributing to the argument about whether it's fact or fiction & keeping us cosseted from the really hard issues that need to be faced if we want clean water, healthy food & sustainable energy as the world changes around us.

One thing is for sure, if climate change predictions about weather etc are true ( thinkin of Japan here ) then in the future a lot more of our tax dollars will be spent cleaning up after the latest "natural event".

Even though we live in paradise, it is a very vulnerable wee place to rising sea levels, storms, droughts, floods, volcanic activity etc & we have limited resources to deal with any worsening of these situations. I guess this was the point of my post. A bob both ways from the powers that be & long term investment in disaster relief & aid planning would be a massive asset to this country if things are changing as scientist tell us.

[wysper]

problem with science is it is right (or so they say) until they are wrong.

Which happens all the time.

earth is flat.
earth is x years old. (the age of the earth is constantly changing)
size of the universe
age of the universe

I am not a climate change believer (at least the part about it all being mankinds fault)
Especially when the things that seem to be put in place to arrest climate change are making the rich even richer and giving those in control even more control.

Of course that is just my OPINION.