Climate change or global warming and who did it?

**FJRider** · 8th June 2011, 18:06

Originally Posted by Edbear

Local climates are certainly changing with records being broken around the world.

We've just had the warmest May since records began ...

**puddytat** · 8th June 2011, 18:06

"Its the end of the world as we know it......& I feel fine"

Kind of exciting in a weird kind of way.

Atleast i wont need to worry about my pension & kiwisaver ever happening.....in another 21 years I think events will have overtaken us & we'll be happy with a bowl of gruel

**Edbear** · 8th June 2011, 18:23

Foreword by WWF
Emissions of global warming gases continue to rise as the world burns ever more coal, oil and gas for energy. The risk of destabilising the Earth's climate system is growing every day. Few things can be more pressing for the protection of ecosystems and the well-being of society than avoiding the catastrophic effects of global warming. Time is not on our side.

Glaciers are melting worldwide. In the last century, glaciers on Mount Kenya have lost 92 percent of their mass and glaciers on Mount Kilimanjaro 73 percent. The number of glaciers in Spain has decreased from 27 to 13 since 1980. Europe's Alpine glaciers have lost about 50 percent of their volume during the last century. The glaciers of New Zealand have decreased in volume by 26 percent since 1980. In Russia, the Caucasus has lost about 50 percent of its glacial ice over the last 100 years.

This taken from a BBC document..http://www.panda.org/downloads/clima...e/xweather.pdf

**puddytat** · 8th June 2011, 18:30

Totally agree Ed....

**FJRider** · 8th June 2011, 18:31

Note to ALL .... check Life Insurance maturity date ... WILL YOU MAKE IT ... ???

**Scuba_Steve** · 8th June 2011, 18:34

Originally Posted by Edbear

Foreword by WWF
Emissions of global warming gases continue to rise as the world burns ever more coal, oil and gas for energy. The risk of destabilising the Earth's climate system is growing every day. Few things can be more pressing for the protection of ecosystems and the well-being of society than avoiding the catastrophic effects of global warming. Time is not on our side.

Glaciers are melting worldwide. In the last century, glaciers on Mount Kenya have lost 92 percent of their mass and glaciers on Mount Kilimanjaro 73 percent. The number of glaciers in Spain has decreased from 27 to 13 since 1980. Europe's Alpine glaciers have lost about 50 percent of their volume during the last century. The glaciers of New Zealand have decreased in volume by 26 percent since 1980. In Russia, the Caucasus has lost about 50 percent of its glacial ice over the last 100 years.

This taken from a BBC document..http://www.panda.org/downloads/clima...e/xweather.pdf

meh

the world ends in 2012

**Edbear** · 8th June 2011, 18:54

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

meh

the world ends in 2012

Yeah, but only for the Mayan's... Where are they these days anyway?

**puddytat** · 8th June 2011, 18:56

Originally Posted by Edbear

Yeah, but only for the Mayan's... Where are they these days anyway?

Working illegally in the U.S?

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 8th June 2011, 19:46

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

meh

the world ends in 2012

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/201...3/18680355.php
The Maya have taken center stage because many fear the supposed end date of their calendar marks the end of the world. Most of this information comes from non-Mayans and it is not accurate. Because of this the National Council of Elders Mayas, Xinca and Garifuna recently addressed the world. Their message is simple: “Our actions have created a world out of balance that must be rebalanced immediately in order for us to avoid more suffering…for humans and for all life.”
In a recent address to the world (http://www.ShiftoftheAges.com/maya-message-2012), through Positive Purpose Productions (P-Qubd LLC) the National Council of Elders Mayas, Xinca and Garifuna offers prophetic insights – and grave warnings – regarding the many natural and manmade disasters occurring now. According to the Mayan calendar, they say we are entering times of great pain if humanity doesn't immediately change its destructive behaviour and restore balance to the planet.
The elders spoke up to warn humanity because there is much misinformation, being spread mostly by self-proclaimed elders, gurus and pseudo scientists. Many of them do this for their own personal gain, to exploit the name of the Maya or to spread fear that the world is going to end in 2012.
Many think that the Maya are an extinct civilization even though there are over 10 million living Maya, mostly in Central America and southern Mexico. They are led by a council of elders who meet and confer regularly on local and global affairs.
Among other things, the Maya are known for their advanced calendar system, astronomical science and their surprisingly accurate prophecies. Remarkably, they have preserved much of their ancestors’ wisdom through an oral tradition, in spite of the Spanish conquest and centuries of foreign domination and interference.
Now, the National Council of Mayan Elders in Guatemala has a message for the world. Through their leader, Wakatel Utiw, “Wandering Wolf,” also known as Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez Oxlaj, they offer:
“2012 is not the end of the world, nor did we ever predict that it would end: not now, not at the end of our Long Count calendar, not on December 21, 2012. Do not trust self-proclaimed elders, gurus and pseudo scientists who for their own personal gain create fear in the name of the Maya.”
Far from being a date on a calendar when something will automatically happen, the elders are telling us that it is up to us how we traverse these challenging times. “The new Sun will come, but if we don’t change our destructive and disharmonious ways, many may not see it,” they warn. “We are not powerless over something happening to us; we are happening to the Earth and to each other,” Wandering Wolf offers in his empowering teachings. Our actions have created a world out of balance that must be rebalanced in order for us to avoid more suffering…to humans and to all life.
The Mayan Elders believe that their culture is poorly understood by non-Mayans whose interpretations are therefore very misleading. We have to use critical thinking when interpreting the sensationalist messages which have flooded the media and the Internet. Indeed, every non-Mayan researcher and writer owes their work to the Maya; however, the Maya rarely speak about themselves, until now. You can read Wandering Wolf’s address to the world in the attachment and here: http://www.ShiftoftheAges.com/maya-message-2012.
Wandering Wolf also partnered with a California company, Positive Purpose Productions (P-Qubd LLC) to create a feature-length documentary called Shift of the Ages, which is to be released in early 2012. Shift of the Ages will be their first official discourse to the world. Compelling and timely, this story is told through their elected leader, Wandering Wolf. The mission of the film is to deliver the Mayan message of peace and unity to a global audience, incite a call to action, and provide an empowering vision of our future if we choose to take responsibility for re-balancing our world and our relationship to it. You can read more about Shift of the Ages and how to become an Ambassador here: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...s-a-true-story
On behalf of the Maya, we humbly thank you for your support in sharing the truth.
http://www.shiftoftheages.com

Even the Mayan don't believe that...

**Edbear** · 8th June 2011, 20:13

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

Even the Mayan don't believe that...

Funny how so many take things to extremes and ignore the facts, eh? This is typical of the world we live in. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story/ conspiracy theory/Armageddon scenario...

**Jantar** · 8th June 2011, 20:27

Originally Posted by FJRider

We've just had the warmest May since records began ...

And Australia has just had its coldest. That is weather caused by the LaNina pattern. Similarly USA has had very cold conditions, but Canada had warm.

Also don't forget that that "warmest May on record' is on the adjusted data, not on the raw data.

**FJRider** · 8th June 2011, 20:44

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

meh

the world ends in 2012

Wasn't it May, 2011 .... oh wait ...

**Jantar** · 8th June 2011, 20:51

Globally May was little different to April http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-conte...u_May_2011.gif

**puddytat** · 8th June 2011, 20:57

"And when people say we cannot do it & that it cant be done....I would like to say to the naysayers.....youre right, youre too fucking ignorant & until commonsense & the love of our planet outweighs the comfort consumerism of our culture,we are in a word ...Fucked."
(Obamas original speech notes before the spin doctors edited it)

**Edbear** · 9th June 2011, 08:13

I watched that film, "11th Hour" narrated by Leonardo De Caprio and was quite impressed. There is no argument the Industrial Revolution began a sharp rise in pollution, both atmospheric and environmental that has rapidly accelerated climate change. The graphs are quite alarming.

Certainly, if we are to stand any chance at all of saving ourselves from extinction, measures need to be global, draconian and immediate. Can anyone see that happening?

The dying oceans are our biggest threat at present.

http://www.uga.edu/gm/1202/FeatDeep.html