Climate change or global warming and who did it?

[puddytat]

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If global temperatures were to rise enough to cause the polar caps to melt then something other than CO2 conc must be the cause.

Methane?
Or the unknown chemicals being discovered over the Antartic?

Or the sudden upsurge of Marijuana emissions in the U.S?

[scrivy]

Methane?
Or the unknown chemicals being discovered over the Antartic?

Is it this???
http://www.infowars.com/methane-spew...ss-extinction/

[puddytat]

Is it this???
http://www.infowars.com/methane-spew...ss-extinction/

Yeah.....as well as these

Studies in Germany show that a lactating cow can produce up to 700 litres a day...methane that is.

[Jantar]

Methane?
Or the unknown chemicals being discovered over the Antartic?

Or the sudden upsurge of Marijuana emissions in the U.S?

Why chemical at all?
How about the cause being that big yellow thing in the sky?
Or oceanic upwelling?
Or NightHawk's "Alieums"

Any of these would also explain the lack of warming this millennium, and the cooling we are currently experiencing.

[mashman]

Why chemical at all?
How about the cause being that big yellow thing in the sky?
Or oceanic upwelling?
Or NightHawk's "Alieums"

Any of these would also explain the lack of warming this millennium, and the cooling we are currently experiencing.

That was going to be my reply to you... add pole shift as it could give the required temperature difference you speak of in order to melt the caps. I have become a fan of this theory as it would explain why some areas are getting colder and the ice-sheets are melting. As it's all theory, it's moot, but there are, as you highlight, other way that these things can happen. We ain't ready and we're looking towards you guys to provide solid evidence. Utterly shit position to be in, I don't envy you, but our politicians don't seem to be giving a shit, so there's nowhere else for us to go.

[Swoop]

We should be thanking, and encouraging, the japs to keep dragging whales out of the oceans.
Think of the quantity of water they displace. By hauling them out of the ocean they are saving low-lying pacific islands from the dangers of rising sea levels.

"Thank you" japan. (now fuck off and clean up all that radioactive shit)

[SPman]

The sub surface temperature of the eastern Pacific Ocean is measuring an 'astounding' six degrees warmer than normal for this time of year.
A team of US atmospheric scientists says that points to a major El Nino event forming to rival the record event nearly 20 years ago.
"The only time that (the six-degree warming) has ever happened before, this time of the year, was in that March of 1997 event..."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-24/strong-el-nino/5340708

Won't need the polar ice to melt in the Antarctic - just let it melt at the slip points and it'll slide into the sea.

[Jantar]

The sub surface temperature of the eastern Pacific Ocean is measuring an 'astounding' six degrees warmer than normal for this time of year.
A team of US atmospheric scientists says that points to a major El Nino event forming to rival the record event nearly 20 years ago.
"The only time that (the six-degree warming) has ever happened before, this time of the year, was in that March of 1997 event..."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-24/strong-el-nino/5340708

Won't need the polar ice to melt in the Antarctic - just let it melt at the slip points and it'll slide into the sea.

The sub surface temperature anomaly is irrelevant for forcing an el Nino event unless it is higher than the surface temperature SST. Once the surface temperature also climbs in the Eastern Pacific then an El Nino is almost certain.

At this time the SST is around normal, http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/product...e/gsstanim.gif

But most forecast models are predicting an El Nino to form http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/product.../nino34Mon.gif

It is not the El Nino that drives polar SST, but the Antarctic Oscillation. The South Pacific Convergence zone will need to move a long way pole wards before that will be affected.

I just had a look at the sub surface temps. Are you sure that 6 degrees is in C and not F? http://www.bom.gov.au/fwo/IDYOC003.gif?1297119137

[Ocean1]

Good read.

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog...te-change.aspx

[scrivy]

Yeah, well, so, ok, um, er, I guess.....
http://www.infowars.com/ipccs-doom-a...-real-science/

[carbonhed]

"The only time that (the six-degree warming) has ever happened before, this time of the year, was in that March of 1997 event..."

Kind of makes you wonder how long we've had accurate measurements of the sub surface temperature of the Eastern Pacific Ocean?

[mashman]

Good read.

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog...te-change.aspx

And you tell me not to post up cartoons.

[carbonhed]

And you tell me not to post up cartoons.

Which bits are wrong?

[Edbear]

Which bits are wrong?

It's one man's opinion. As with all such it's a case of Newton's Third Law.

[mashman]

Which bits are wrong?

I didn't say wrong, I said cartoon. But Ed's description fits.