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Hes a waste of a human life. Why is it not legal to shoot him?
Forum whore
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...in-court-drama
Hes a waste of a human life. Why is it not legal to shoot him?
Moped rider
Because the PC bleeding hearts he can be saved and rehabilitated brigade won't let us.......
Anarchic Wild Child
A 12-year-old child who went along with older peers has been dropped into the corrections system for killing another human being ...Originally Posted by sil3ntwar
The result is what we see today ....
Kurariki will now be a problem all his life - and will probably be in and out of jail all his life ... and I agree, he probably should be.
I ask: what role did our society play in creating this person? At 12 years old we dropped him into a situation where he was surrounded by criminals - and wonder why he is the way he is?
Could we have done any better? He was 12 years old for God's Sake!!! If he was lead by his slightly older criminal peers, why didn't we remove him from that situation and give him better examples? Instead we dropped him in with even worse criminal associates. And we expected him to change? Get real ...
(And why is he taking up your time? Only because the news media think he's important - but he's just like many many others - who you don't hear about)
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Tearing Choppa a new A'Hole
Can't you read, he's just an innocent maori mate. Can't shoot him for that.
While I enjoy most of your posts as I find them enlightening and thought provoking, I disagree with your original points here. Society is not to blame for this 12 year old scumbags involvement, his fucking parents are. Society is not to blame for every single choice these arseholes make. The arseholes making the decisions are.
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Moped rider
I agree about the parents bit..... I as a parent am not responsible for the behaviour of other's children only my own..... However I think you missed the point BB was trying to make and that is...
Was putting him in a custodial establishment surrounded by older boys who will teach him more tricks when he was 12 years old the right choice?
Tearing Choppa a new A'Hole
Perhaps "we" should have put him in a run of the mill foster home. Maybe next door to "our" families and kids? Hmmmmm, he took part in a beating a man to death, for a mere twenty odd bucks. I argue the apple was already bad by the time he made the choice to be a part of a very violent crime. I'd hazard a guess that if I said to my twelve year old daughter that we were both going to go hide in a dark alley tonight, then beat the fuck out of the pizza guy I'd rung to deliver some pizza and I'd go her halves in the twenty bucks we could get, she'd find it a repulsive concept and probably cry.
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Just faidin away!
This guy is old enough to know right from wrong, his (unfortunate) childhood problems clouded his thinking once but now he knows the difference!
The choices he makes now are his and his alone ... he chooses to be a piece of community crap, if he was a dog he wouldn't be a problem now!
Moped rider
You are right on that score that it is his parents who are/were to blame for his behaviour. But like with so many kids who come from a bad background, if fitting into a "group" means doing nasty things then it is easy for them to make that choice just to fit in, and feel like they are wanted and feel like they belong, since he was no doubt getting none of that sort of attention and affection at home. The whole bullying scenario is not so dissimilar. Children know it is wrong to bully other children but to look good in front of their friends and fit in and be cool they will happily partake in a group bullying session. And many parents are shocked when told their child is a bully...."We never brought him up to be like that!"
My son would definitely be repulsed by the idea of doing something as violent as beating a man to death as your daughter would be. They have been brought up in a loving, respectful environment and not exposed to drugs, alcohol and violence as he was.
Was 12 years old really too old and too late to try and turn this kid's life around? Yes according to society and so he went into a facility where he learnt more tricks of how to to fit in with a group of older boys who are and perhaps were way past the point of being turned around. Just as Bailey is perhaps now....
I don't particularly like the justice system. And many of the punishments do not befit the crime. A guy beats and kills a toddler but can be out within 18 months? A man ploughs into and kills a cyclist but hey that's ok, minor slip of concentration, yet does not get a custodial sentence? When just recently a friend has just been released after 3 months for unpaid fines.....
The justice system is a joke...
Tearing Choppa a new A'Hole
No one is beyond being "turned around", so long as they actually want to become better people. Obviously, this peanut does not want to become a better person.
I do agree that our justice system is failing. It should be harder on ALL violent offenders. And none of this 3 strikes bullshit.
You helped kill a man, you deserve a chance to rehabilitate as you were only 12 at the time. Fair enough. You then decide it's ok to beat up your partner a few times upon your release despite telling the world you're rehabilitated and a changed man, sorry. Off you go, you can come out when you're so old and feeble that you pose no risk to the law abiding community.
Society has to do "something" with violent offenders, what would you suggest we do?
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Come warm yourself by the fire
Should have put him in with a all the old pedo's.
Would have been a win-win situation.
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Forum whore
What is all of this 'we' business??? I didn't have anything to do with any of this and neither did anyone else I know. Some people make their own beds don't you know.
Forum whore
I think it's something to do with the more communal outlook of the Tangata Te Whenua. But yes, does beg the question, "So where were you Banditbandit?".
Fair weather rider
If it makes you feel better, I heard from someone who was an inmate at the time that when he first got transfered to paremoremo prison, he was acting like the man, the 'killer', apparently he had a lot of respect at Juvi, and he soon got put in his place, ie he got the shit beaten out of him on several occasions, kind of like going from intermediate to college but 10 times worse I would think.
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The instructions are simple...
Compost, perhaps?
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Forum whore
According to "those that know about these things", you've got about 5yrs from birth to form the child's personality. So if the child experiences a warm, safe, stable and loving home, it will be well adjusted and teachable by five, if not, you've got a real battle on your hands to alter behaviour. By puberty, if nothing is done, the requirements for change become very intensive and long term.
If you're sworn at, abused, (physically and emotionally), told repeatedly you are a useless piece of trash and never loved and cuddled, which is usually the case with these people, and had nothing but bad examples from parents/family and peers, you're not going to turn out very well.
People can change, but hearing first hand the stories of those who have turned their lives around mean that a bullet is not always the best way to deal with them and although the examples I've seen are older than Kuariki, the remorse they feel at their past is as difficult to deal with as the change itself and the determination that their children will never know what it's like to experience their lives is implacable.
Yes, there are purely evil people who cannot be rehabilitated, but I would suggest they are a minority. Sadly I do agree the justice system is fraught with holes and inadequacies for a variety of reasons and we can't all help everyone.
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