MNZ board nominations

[Drew]

"I dont have to do the Nationals every year"Statement just doesnt wash with a lot of people.

Ill ask the question again,Is this how he intends too run MNZ if elected??

I'm sure Scrivy will be along directly to answer this, which is not ideal.

I doubt it's how anybody would try and run the club, and I doubt anyone could in good conscience allow themselves to be nominated for the position if they would.

Here's what I think would be a positive step in the running of our club. Anyone with aspirations of running it, should have a minimum term of being on the board first. It does a couple of things.

1. They get first hand experience of how things are done now, to better equip themselves for implementing any changes they would like to see.

2. It allows members to see how they handle themselves, and get e feel for their integrity.

3. It potentially puts them in a tough position, at making them work along side someone they don't agree with on the issue.

The third one is pertinent in this case. Jim and Chris would likely struggle at working together, especially after all this shit. How they handle themselves and the situation would be quite telling as to who is the better man for the job. Diplomacy is key in such a role, and any underhandedness would be witnessed by three other board members.

Can someone please tell me (so I don't have to look up the procedure myself), how I can table this idea for consideration and a member vote? If it's anything like other clubs I've been a member of I'll have to present the idea with a minimum time period before an AGM. So that submissions for and against can be compiled.

[Billy]

I'm sure Scrivy will be along directly to answer this, which is not ideal.

I doubt it's how anybody would try and run the club, and I doubt anyone could in good conscience allow themselves to be nominated for the position if they would.

Here's what I think would be a positive step in the running of our club. Anyone with aspirations of running it, should have a minimum term of being on the board first. It does a couple of things.

1. They get first hand experience of how things are done now, to better equip themselves for implementing any changes they would like to see.

2. It allows members to see how they handle themselves, and get e feel for their integrity.

3. It potentially puts them in a tough position, at making them work along side someone they don't agree with on the issue.

The third one is pertinent in this case. Jim and Chris would likely struggle at working together, especially after all this shit. How they handle themselves and the situation would be quite telling as to who is the better man for the job. Diplomacy is key in such a role, and any underhandedness would be witnessed by three other board members.

Can someone please tell me (so I don't have to look up the procedure myself), how I can table this idea for consideration and a member vote? If it's anything like other clubs I've been a member of I'll have to present the idea with a minimum time period before an AGM. So that submissions for and against can be compiled.

Good post Drew,

I cant tell you how too implement the changes,But if you cant be bothered(and I wouldnt blame you)scrolling through the website or the manual,Then possibly you could try calling or emailing the office or a board member.

Oh and MNZ is waaaay bigger than the average club,If you go to Marcus's facebook page youll see a post from Jim that will give you some insight as to the size of the operation.

[slowpoke]

COST OF RACING TO EXSPENSIVE

Fuckin Bollocks, Yea it is exspensive, but so is taking a DUMP these days with the cost of toilet paper, Milk, Petrol, Not to mention STELLA:S....

....the sport just needs the Junior classes worked on BIG TIME to bring on the future racers, a ONE make tyre rule, again BOLLOCKS, some riders love what they love and hate what they hate ie, SIMON CRAFER etc etc etc.

I'm gonna agree and disagree with ya Shaun. Totally agree regards the cost of racing. Sure it's expensive but that's undeniably the nature of our sport, it's not just a case of buying new pair of footy boots every season. The numbers at Vic Club or Tri-Series meetings tells me there are plenty of people who think the cost/fun ratio isn't too bad. Try finding a decent pit spot undercover at Manfeild after 7am at a Winter Series race day and you'll be sorely disappointed.

But, I think the sport needs more than just the development of Junior riders. Last years Tri-Series was proof to me that promotion is our biggest problem. Awesome overseas riders, biggest and best fields seen for decades, factory involvement, new manufacturers involved, etc etc.....yet there was still only a handful of spectators at Hampton Downs, with a third of the population of NZ within a 3 hour drive.

Bottom line, we could produce our very own Rossi, Stoner and Lorenzo wonder-kids next year and the stands would still be empty.

Our sport is invisible to the general public and not much seems to be happening to change that.

[Nonbeliever]

Bottom line, we could produce our very own Rossi, Stoner and Lorenzo wonder-kids next year and the stands would still be empty.

rossi, lorenzo hmm ok, but lets hope we dont produce a snotty little wanker like stoner

[jellywrestler]

a supporter of mine was hanging around my pit area drunk!

Jeez. I don't even remember being there! Still it was a long time ago

[jellywrestler]

Yea it is exspensive, but so is taking a DUMP these days with the cost of toilet paper

Try using old copies of the yellow pages to save buying toilet paper, but be warned, you've got to use at least three sheets otherwise 'your fingers will do the walking'!

[Billy]

I'm gonna agree and disagree with ya Shaun. Totally agree regards the cost of racing. Sure it's expensive but that's undeniably the nature of our sport, it's not just a case of buying new pair of footy boots every season. The numbers at Vic Club or Tri-Series meetings tells me there are plenty of people who think the cost/fun ratio isn't too bad. Try finding a decent pit spot undercover at Manfeild after 7am at a Winter Series race day and you'll be sorely disappointed.

But, I think the sport needs more than just the development of Junior riders. Last years Tri-Series was proof to me that promotion is our biggest problem. Awesome overseas riders, biggest and best fields seen for decades, factory involvement, new manufacturers involved, etc etc.....yet there was still only a handful of spectators at Hampton Downs, with a third of the population of NZ within a 3 hour drive.

Bottom line, we could produce our very own Rossi, Stoner and Lorenzo wonder-kids next year and the stands would still be empty.

Our sport is invisible to the general public and not much seems to be happening to change that.

Yerr,

First point being the stands at both Ruapuna and Manfeild were relatively full at the NZSBK rounds and that was probably down to better promotion,However if as you say the main focus should be better promotion,What will the spectacle be in say 5 years time??Have a look at the 600 feild in this years Championship the 2 classes were littered with up and coming riders coming out of the South Island and the class is becoming a spectacle in its own right,Compare that with Auckland which has a population base of roughly the same size and lets see how many stars there are coming out of there,Ummm Avalon Biddle(Had extensive training at MCC and competed as a junior in the CBR cup Aust),Daniel Mettam,Also had some guest appearances and training from Peter Jones and the red bull rookies cup,Jayden Hassan(Also spent time at MCC),Did I miss any?Not that impressive aye.Too prove my point as to the level streetstock is down there,Al Hoogie couldnt win a race at ruapuna in the support class at the National round!The Superbike GP at Ruapuna was nothing more than a procession that was only made a spectacle by the commentators emphasising the fact Stroudy may not have enough fuel on board to complete the race,Otherwise you wouldnt have heard the bikes for the snoring!!In fact Craig Shirriffs was so bored he pitted for an energy drink and fell asleep LOL

Yes Promotion is important,But not more important than junior induction and training.

[Billy]

Jeez. I don't even remember being there! Still it was a long time ago

And you probably dont remember where you were yesterday either!!!

[jellywrestler]

And you probably dont remember where you were yesterday either!!!

not so, at 16.31 I was apparently yelling at my computer, if ya don't beleive me see post #966

[Billy]

not so, at 16.31 I was apparently yelling at my computer, if ya don't beleive me see post #966

Ah Yes can be a wonderful thing this technology?It can even help you disguise the early signs of alzhiemers LOL

[Drew]

Ah Yes can be a wonderful thing this technology?It can even help you disguise the early signs of alzhiemers LOL

He usually tells someone where he's going, incase that information might be required later. I'd tell Scrivy if I was in the same boat. Then I could get the info back later on a letter head.

[Billy]

He usually tells someone where he's going, incase that information might be required later. I'd tell Scrivy if I was in the same boat. Then I could get the info back later on a letter head.

Bwahahahahahaha!Yeah but then youd have to have all the writing straight up and down cause he doesnt like too read slanted posts.

[slowpoke]

Yerr,

First point being the stands at both Ruapuna and Manfeild were relatively full at the NZSBK rounds and that was probably down to better promotion,However if as you say the main focus should be better promotion,What will the spectacle be in say 5 years time??Have a look at the 600 feild in this years Championship the 2 classes were littered with up and coming riders coming out of the South Island and the class is becoming a spectacle in its own right,Compare that with Auckland which has a population base of roughly the same size and lets see how many stars there are coming out of there,Ummm Avalon Biddle(Had extensive training at MCC and competed as a junior in the CBR cup Aust),Daniel Mettam,Also had some guest appearances and training from Peter Jones and the red bull rookies cup,Jayden Hassan(Also spent time at MCC),Did I miss any?Not that impressive aye.Too prove my point as to the level streetstock is down there,Al Hoogie couldnt win a race at ruapuna in the support class at the National round!The Superbike GP at Ruapuna was nothing more than a procession that was only made a spectacle by the commentators emphasising the fact Stroudy may not have enough fuel on board to complete the race,Otherwise you wouldnt have heard the bikes for the snoring!!In fact Craig Shirriffs was so bored he pitted for an energy drink and fell asleep LOL

Yes Promotion is important,But not more important than junior induction and training.

I think we're talking at cross purposes big fulla. I totally agree if you want the best racers you have to push the youngsters and the competition/training they get. You and Pete, by the way, do a fantastic job of that. But I think that's a separate issue to growing the sport as a whole.

One way to look at it would be to ask ourselves: how does creating more Stroud's and Slights and Crafar's help the general rank and file competitors? Given that the general public doesn't know who these people are I can't think of a reason. An increase in overall skill level doesn't make the sport more affordable, attract more sponsors, or increase recognition/marketability. The most famous bike racer in NZ is probably Johnny Hepburn, and ironically because of his V8 Taxi Racing exposure.

Which is why I think promotion is our biggest hurdle. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but on a great weekend weatherwise there would have been less than a thousand spectators attracted to the Manfeild NZSBK round and far less than the average number of competitors at a Vic Winter event. Neither number is acceptable for what is an exciting easily marketed NZ Championship event and it's a hard sell to any sponsor who isn't in it for the love of it.

I see promotion as key for increasing public visibility/recognition and therefore "sponsor-ability" so talented guys like Johnny Burkhart and others aren't forced out of the sport as soon as they've got a missus and a mortgage or have a decent crash (one and the same thing?). With increased exposure comes a little less reaching into our own pockets as more sponsors become involved, and more people rock up to meetings, and more competitors are inclined to enter and more youngsters wanna have a crack at it etc etc. That to me is growing the sport as a whole and helps out every single competitor.

But hey, it's not an either or situation, and things would dramatically improve if we tackled both issues. Higher profile events with better riders and increased competition, what's not to like?

But that's the beauty of a forum like this, you and I can present our views and ideas on what is the best way forward for our sport, while other people will agree/disagree or come up with something entirely different. MNZ could do a lot worse than to create something similar to interact with their members, I reckon people would be a lot more aware and more involved. Hell, MNZ wouldn't even have to participate, (but it would be nice if someone did) they could just sit back and observe the discussions and issues that it's members bring up.

But as it stands I've got no idea what Jim and Chris's thoughts are on the way forward, so why would I bother voting?

[Kickaha]

I also know only JIM and the lady and her man were in the same room together ( Only those 3 where this so called assault took place) Would YOU assault a mans women in front of him? Did not think so, Jim is loud and direct, but far from a women beating moron

In the same room?

I'm also not convinced on the moron bit

I am sure Chris is very busy mate, running his own buisness with 3 staff takes a lot of commitment and time management, as well as He is out and about at the moment putting his face in front of people to build the numbers required to win the ellection, and bloody good on him for the work he is doing, but just Once more, IF he really has some thing to offer us, OFFER IT UP CHRIS? Not your MOUTH piece on here please please please

Why would he bother doing it on here?, he'll reach far more people "putting his face in front of people" at events than he ever would here

[White trash]

The most famous bike racer in NZ is probably Johnny Hepburn, and ironically because of his V8 Taxi Racing exposure.

Ummmm, what are they smoking off the western shore of the western island there big fella?

Aaron Slight is without a doubt the most recognised NZ motorcycle racer. I'm a bike racing enthusiast, and doubt if I could pick Johnny Hepburn out of a street full of people. Put him on a bike and I'll point him out but he's far from NZs most recognizable MC racer.

Steve Bron, now there's a racer you'll never forget..........