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[RDjase]

Prolite = low cost starter/feeder class

Is SS150 a National class? Or was it replaced as a National class by Prolites after it officialy came in

[scrivy]

I rekon they should also run stock suspension with settings done by another competitor chosen at random from the same class. That should fill the stands with spectators.

Fark.............. it would be like going to a rodeo competition!!!

[Biggles08]

generally but not necessarily so mucus

fields are faster but in actual fact, any decent club rider should make 115%. the threshold for supersport was only 1.17s, superlite, 1.25s

Yup...i see your point and it is true re the 115%.

I guess what I was referring to was my limited experience on a 600cc. This year at the Nats at Manfeild I managed to get into the 10,s with a PB of 1:10.2...this was good enough for the back of the field at Nationals but most likely would have won a race at the VMCC winter series. The difference is poles apart.

[Drew]

I rekon they should also run stock suspension with settings done by another competitor chosen at random from the same class. That should fill the stands with spectators.

Fark.............. it would be like going to a rodeo competition!!!

I like the idea! Only times I'm ever actually fast is riding a total piece of shit, if everyone else was on a shitter I'd have a shot!

[Drew]

Yup...i see your point and it is true re the 115%.

I guess what I was referring to was my limited experience on a 600cc. This year at the Nats at Manfeild I managed to get into the 10,s with a PB of 1:10.2...this was good enough for the back of the field at Nationals but most likely would have won a race at the VMCC winter series. The difference is poles apart.

Apples and oranges there. The winter series didn't have a single completely dry meeting last year to start with, and ask all the big guns why they don't compete in the winter series till the last couple rounds. They'll tell you there's no point in practising going slow, and setting your bike up for conditions you're likely not gonna race in at the nats.

Also, I can't think of anyone I know who stepped up to Nationals level racing, and didn't go faster than when they were club racing.

[Billy]

Is SS150 a National class? Or was it replaced as a National class by Prolites after it officialy came in

No, SS150 was and never will be a national class!!

[Drew]

No, SS150 was and never will be a national class!!

Big call there fella. They outnumbered you guys two to one down south.

[Billy]

Big call there fella. They outnumbered you guys two to one down south.

Sure did,

Alot of them were keen to come North as well,Only problem is the class was badly handled for the get go and No homologation was necessary,Therefore none were applied for and the class can only run as a production based class if the Distributors apply and supply MNZ with the full list of specs,Also even if Suzuki or Kawasaki bothered too apply now,Bugger all of the bikes would be eligible as they have had things changed on them that arent in the factory specs.

That was partly behind the thinking with the Prolite class,New Slate/Bikes etc

[Kickaha]

Serious question,
How many sidecars are there in the country that couldve been racing this past season if a reasonable effort was put in?

Betwen 12-14 without much effors should be easy, 16-20 wouldn't be unrealistic with a bit of effort form the owners however that is unlikely to happen

no clubmans = more track time for your 'premiere classes' marcus. thought you would be in to that.

So long as the premier class don't mind paying more to make up the shortfall in income from not running clubmans

I guess everything we say is shit then eh..............

Everything you say is anyway

No, SS150 was and never will be a national class!!

It should have been

[scrivy]

Everything you say is anyway

Hey Kick, aren't you staying at Bob and Traceys house this week???

[racer40]

Hey Biggles my F4 is available for you to ride in a couple of weeks at next bucket day (mt welly ) Just a standard F4 FXR150 on slicks

[Crasherfromwayback]

Big call there fella. They outnumbered you guys two to one down south.

Oi...I said I want to be Prime Minister!

[jellywrestler]

Where's the shit Spyda??
Why do you think it was shit........... because your 'side' said so??
I guess everything we say is shit then eh..............

Oh look........... it was true afterall................

wasn't using the word in a bad way Scrivy, just had heard some 'stuff' and when someone bought it up figured let's hear what happened, Bob mentioned something about it at Paeroa 19th feb.


As for the 'Your side' comment, I don't take sides thanks.
And FYI when I heard that there may be an issue with the Carnet I went directly to one of the people who were going and offered to cover their machine.

[Biggles08]

Apples and oranges there. The winter series didn't have a single completely dry meeting last year to start with, and ask all the big guns why they don't compete in the winter series till the last couple rounds. They'll tell you there's no point in practising going slow, and setting your bike up for conditions you're likely not gonna race in at the nats.

Also, I can't think of anyone I know who stepped up to Nationals level racing, and didn't go faster than when they were club racing.

I guess it worked for me at 'Dampton Downs' in the wet then

With regards to times, the previous year when I did the VMCC winter series almost all the rounds were dry and 10.2 would still have been in the top 3. This is the point...club riding / meetings are not nearly as fast as a national field regardless of if you are within 115% of the times or not. This is why club level riders should compete in a National class if they meet the 115% threshold...they will get faster doing it.

[Billy]

Hey Biggles my F4 is available for you to ride in a couple of weeks at next bucket day (mt welly ) Just a standard F4 FXR150 on slicks

Hi Chris,

Thanks for coming on here and giving us your opinion,Im sure you have better things to do with your time as does Jim actually running MNZ and not just talking about it!!

Yes I was aware you had competed at the TT as I too am able to access "mylaps",
Im sure youve heard the expression "1 swallow does NOT make a summer"

Can you please explain too the rest of us,What if anything you have done in the past 2 years as a senior and well respected member of the sidecar fraternity as well as being the immediate past president of the now disassociated NZSRA to ease the rift between some sidecar competitors in nz and MNZ and the sidecar competitors that did try to put on a show for the general public???

And is this how you would handle the difficult issues as MNZ president???

I am aware of the amount of effort you have put into doing the National series pre the period mentioned above,As I have been a competitor and member of MNZ and its predecessor the NZACU since first competing at the now defunct Porrirua Grand Prix in 1971,I think I have as good an idea if not better than most on this site,Whos who and which people are capable.

During that 40 years I have been a close personal friend of the current MNZ president and have observed the total commitment he has had for MNZ/NZACU as a whole for very little return,He is NOT a retired or current when they feel like it competitor,He has devoted a huge part of his life to nurturing a sport he has never had any physical return from and therefore has NO hidden agendas as have been implied by others in this very thread.

Is it not also true that the surgery you mention above was kidney replacement ?

Was this not due too you being diagnosed with renal failure and has been stated in a previous post in this thread continued too compete putting yourself and other competitors/spectators at risk in the case of loss of consciouness while operating your machine,We have all seen the evidence of the effects of renal failure in Jonah Lomu,I would suggest he is a much bigger/stronger and fitter individual than yourself and he clearly couldnt deal with it.

Is it not your responsibility as a competitor to notify MNZ through your medical practitioner if or when circumstances arise medically that may impede your ability too control a machine safely?In fact let me answer that for you"Yes" and its on the MNZ licence application form we all fill out when applying for a licence.

Did you or your medical practitioner notify MNZ immediately you were diagnosed?or is it fact the current MNZ president had too make contact with you on this matter and is this the type of transperency Mr Scrivener speaks of ??

Is it also true you intend to run the roadrace National series in the same manner you have become accustomed to with the TRRS whereby it has been stated by both Sidecar Bob and scrivy it runs at a loss ???

Is it also true as stated by Mr Scrivener in an earlier post in this thread that there have been No new entrants too the NZSRA in the past 2 years only 1 renewal and 2 teams that MIGHT by a rig after the next Have A Go day??

If this is seen too be fact,I find it disturbing that you can claim you will be increasing the numbers at National Level when you cant rally the troops in sidecar racing alone!

As a comparison,I have singlehandedly introduced 4 new entrants at club level,Rachel Price,Astrid Hartnell,Simon Vollmer and the late Tim Porter,
(It should be noted here Rachel had competed a couple of times previous but had no immediate avenue to further compete until I contacted her)
Moved Simon on to participate at National level in the new Prolite 250 class as well as introduced at National level the following,Alex Bowers,Paul Billington,Sarah Elliot.

Surely that leaves the NZSRAs attempts over the past 2 years too be wanting???

I have not seen anywhere,You have stated how you will improve the situation re Junior training and entry level coaching and nurturing as has been evident in the South Island in recent years and is clearly the best way of increasing sustainable grid numbers and growing the sport,

What are your plans here??

I am aware the current board and commission have some big plans in this area especially the 13-15 year old age bracket targeted by Peter Jones and MCC.

Can you give the members a guarantee that Messrs Scrivener and Bryan will hold NO position of power with in the organisation and that you will not be influenced in anyway by their destructive approach too the sport ??

Finally,If you have taken my comments on here personally then I am saddened,It was however in some cases the only way too get my point across without one on one dialogue,Or too put it another way,Dealing with the dogs and not the owner,

"Who let the dogs out"Make an excellent song that!!

Hi Chris,

I see you were on this site last night answering questions,You must have missed these listed above.or are you just plain ignoring them as they are too hard to answer??????