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    Is this morally wrong?

    Came across a website today that offered a service (which is somewhat common) that I had never really thought about before in any deep way. I have formed my own opinion on the matter, but interested in hearing what others think.

    So, the business sells consumer goods, everything from food and clothes to toys, tools and electronics via direct marketing with a focus on the hire-purchase model of sales, ie buy now pay 'X' $$ per week.
    They take a product, say a mobile phone worth $100 through a usual outlet and basically double the price (ie underneath the item say total value $200). They then double the price again and add on a $10-$40 administration fee (not unusual for companies allowing terms of credit) and divide this amount by 50 weeks to allow for a per week payment rate.

    Maths for the $100 phone would be:

    Value: $200
    Weekly payments $8.30
    Consumer gets their $100 phone now, after 12 months they have paid $415.

    Now clearly a business like this is not targeting a "thinking" individual (unless they own nothing and know that they are going to die within 12 weeks time leaving no estate to be claimed upon effectively leaving them with a situation whether they get a product at below cost...but that is an aside). A fairly prudent shopper would double check the price with the competition, add up the weekly payments over the 50 weeks and decide whether they think are happy with the deal.
    I struggle with the concept that anyone would be happy paying 4 time what something is able to be otherwise purchased for simply for the convenience of having it NOW.
    However, these people must exist because this is not a small company and they have been around nearly 10 years. I can only deduce that they are not the most educated people and given that it is a HP based model, they are counting on their customer base to not have the means to pay for it at present and thus have to pay it off, generally both the education and fiscal means points point to....lower decile populations. PC for Maori and Pacific Islander communities as well as poor Pakeha.

    What do we think about this? Is this business exploiting the less fortunate, is this just a semi-sharky but ultimately ok venture or is this a perfectly viable business making an honest earning. (after all the business is taking the risk here that the consumer buggers off with the good, makes no more than the required 2 up front payments and then ceases to make any further payments and is then potentially has to file the customer into bankruptcy even though they probably have nothing left to help defray the costs).

    Love to hear your thoughts KB.
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    Sounds a bit like the sort of deals our governments been doing with our assets and Kiwi saver - not wrong , just business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    I struggle with the concept that anyone would be happy paying 4 time what something is able to be otherwise purchased for simply for the convenience of having it NOW.
    Given that you can't buy more time, it could be considered value for money.

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    The idea is an abomination to me. The whole hire purchase and getting in debt is what's wrong with our western culture. Even financing for a vehicle etc... what the fuck is that? If you don't have the money don't buy it.

    Consumerism. We always just have to have the latest Ipods, the newest shit, right now... pay later. It's disgusting.

    There are blames to be had from either side but the regulations make it so easy and the weaker people unable to resist temptation just end up fucking themselves over and become destroyed by these businesses.
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    Given that many of our local stores put 800 percent mark ups on our everyday items, 400 percent isn't exactly outrageous...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    Given that many of our local stores put 800 percent mark ups on our everyday items, 400 percent isn't exactly outrageous...
    Wish I could do that!
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    I think it's wrong from both supply and demand sides of the equation, but it's also how things work in a wonderful capatilist society.

    Those dole bludgers, rednecks, thicko's and old coots are risky bastards though, i wonder how many debts this company has to write down or off.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usarka View Post
    I think it's wrong from both supply and demand sides of the equation, but it's also how things work in a wonderful capatilist society.

    Those dole bludgers, rednecks, thicko's and old coots are risky bastards though, i wonder how many debts this company has to write down or off.....
    I would imagine...a lot. Bad debt must be massive. However, if done via the correct procedures, bad debt can be written off by the business
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    could I pay like $15/week and get a brand new Street Triple R. I'd even double the term, so $15/week for two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase View Post
    could I pay like $15/week and get a brand new Street Triple R. I'd even double the term, so $15/week for two years.

    Hook a brutha up, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Eagle View Post
    not wrong , just business.
    Theres nothing stopping any person offering some product or service in exchange for money. If you can lure someone into a contract then you have a contract. Morals aren't a part of it, and are only useful to persuade susceptible people into doing what you want, ie do it my way or society will judge you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    Given that many of our local stores put 800 percent mark ups on our everyday items, 400 percent isn't exactly outrageous...
    Erm, like who... On what...
    Quote Originally Posted by Mully
    The mind boggles.

    Unless you were pillioning the sheep - which is more innocent I suppose (but no less baffling)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerousBastard View Post
    Theres nothing stopping any person offering some product or service in exchange for money. If you can lure someone into a contract then you have a contract. Morals aren't a part of it, and are only useful to persuade susceptible people into doing what you want, ie do it my way or society will judge you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully
    The mind boggles.

    Unless you were pillioning the sheep - which is more innocent I suppose (but no less baffling)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
    Erm, like who... On what...
    Placemakers, Bunnings, Mitre10, Repco, Supercheap, Kmart, The Warehouse to name a few. Not across the board on all products, but certainly on some pretty good accessory and parts lines.
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    Well, if everything is laid out, and a normal person can put it all together, then it can't really be classified as misleading or false (those sort of things I have a problem with). Therefore its simply down to the buyer deciding if they accept the terms, as they are not being forced into it.

    Much like whatshisname with the shares. He offers a low ball offer, if people did a quick check online, they would see the offer is low. Then he offers above, but doesn't have to pay for 10 years. That in itself is not technically illegal, but then he deliberately targetted the first campaign at Christmas, when more businesses are off on holiday and money is tight. It points to his thinking. He was definitely morally wrong, only slightly illegal, and he's being chased.

    For the HP... well, people can walk in any time, and I wouldn't have a problem if the terms are all pointed out. A fool and his money are soon parted.
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