How would you rebuild Christchurch?

[HenryDorsetCase]

theres too many hands in the till and too many fingers in the pes. Its going to be a clusterfuck.

oh well.

Love the MHD wind turbine. And we get a lot of wind here.

[Kickaha]

They should rebuild the CBD with a view to having a street circuit through it

[merv]

Hurry up and clear the munted buildings, construct a decent rail rapid transit system and start building an integrated place to live, work and play (yes street circuit would be cool - works fro Monaco) with easy transport. ChCh CBD had died compared to when I lived there in the 70's so it was due for revitalising anyway.

Let's not waste time and don't spare the money. As many above have said we have a history of doing things on the "cheap" here that turn into expensive disasters. Don't take the usual 20 years talking about what we should talk about and then 20 years talking about it, then finally building something too small too late.

Just do it and do it now - ya listening Gerry?

[ellipsis]

1. get rid of the fucking useless cunts like (lower case, fat wank), brownlee, and the wankers who reckon they 'have ' to be part of it...
2...stop spending our money on experts, when asking somebodies like the locals who live here would be cheaper , and a lot more sensible..
3...keep government out of it...they cant even run a small company, called NZ...
4...take the power away from opportunist, corporate fucks like fletchers...
5...get someone in control who has some idea of the hurt thats happening...and remind them constantly that they aint in control..

...roll up...roll up... waiting...waiting..

[mashman]

theres too many hands in the till and too many fingers in the pes. Its going to be a clusterfuck.

I can see how that would hampers efforts

Love the MHD wind turbine. And we get a lot of wind here.

It does look interesting dunnit... So I hear

[mashman]

They should rebuild the CBD with a view to having a street circuit through it

hell yeah!!!!!!!!

Hurry up and clear the munted buildings, construct a decent rail rapid transit system and start building an integrated place to live, work and play (yes street circuit would be cool - works fro Monaco) with easy transport. ChCh CBD had died compared to when I lived there in the 70's so it was due for revitalising anyway.

Aye, the maglev stuff looks great... pricey perhaps? I'm sure something pretty stunning could be achieved should those holding the purse strings let the people of Christchurch have a go at what they'd like to see. There must be some exceptionally capable business and logistics people down there, let alone engineers and designers that could design, source and build the "essential" components that would form a city for the future. All tree hugging aside, people are using these technologies in other parts of the world... they see the value in them. Why does it have to take so long? I'm not saying things will be done overnight, but they're crawling imho. I can't know the anguish of living there, but I have sufficient humanity to understand that something needs to be done... I'll pay my 14 cents per day if that's what it costs to start building .

Kia Kaha, As-Salamu Alaykum! I'm off to hug a tree

edit: I knew I'd seen this before and found it quite interesting. So there are people thinking about these things, and with earthquakes in mind etc... I'm sure I've seen a different design too... wonder if they have plans

[Winston001]

Guys guys, its frustrating to see an opportunity of building a future city go begging...but that's what is going to happen. Just consider the dumping of hardfill in Lyttleton Harbour - it was objected to so the government used the special powers to fast track it. Which Labour have objected to (Ruth Dyson).

Given Labour hold the political whip in Christchurch, what real chance have you got to get anything spectacular done?

The only way a whole city centre could be designed and built is under a command economy. Like China and North Korea. Or a democratic example - Canberra.

Nope, the rebuild will be stop/go mediocre builds interspersed with a few inspirational buildings. Just like everywhere else. Shame...

[gammaguy]

It's going to be many years before things get back to normal. Probably at least 10 years.

define normal

If it was anything like the city I saw last time i was there,it could be a very long time indeed

[Grumph]

It's a clusterfuck for sure....politically, yes, Labour is very strong in ChCh - except of course Brownlie's own seat. This seems to mean that govt thinks it has to impose it's will rather than come to agreement with the hostile locals....impasse.

The objections to dumping in the harbour were quite valid. I know the Port Co engineer who moved the barriers to allow it to start and lived in the Port basin myself for years....they thought it was clean rubble coming in but you should see what is washing up on inner harbour beaches....very,very hard to guarantee what's in the dumped material - there'll be more screaming to come.

The CBD will go back where it was but with gaps where the land is not suitable. Settling all the property owners claims and grassing it over or whatever you want to do would just cost too much to be feasible.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Settling all the property owners claims and grassing it over or whatever you want to do would just cost too much to be feasible.

I suspect that no matter how much it costs, that may be the only answer to some areas: not "poor" areas either.

[avgas]

The New laws passed by Jerry Inc. will nicely get rid of any consent ,or dissent issues....

Don't worry it gets worse. Re-read that law change and you suddenly see that "consent" has changed with "Consultation".
Ironically BECA, MWH, SKM..... all are announcing massive (as in record) profits in NZ this year. I can't imagine why

One rumor I have heard (through the right channels) is thanks to Chch wanting CBD back where it was is forcing another 400% onto the pricing structure.....

FYI Auckland you are not exempt. With the whole supercity thing, my chargeable hours have gone through the roof as I am having to do things 3 times over thanks to supercity.

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/chri...-shocks-expert

relevant. I had wondered the same thing.

some of the stories (perhaps apocryphal, but I suspect not) about demolition crews being legalised looters are pretty bleak. but not surprising.

[jaffaonajappa]

Arghhh, sorry to hear the Chch Rebuild is being bogged down like this.

Id be happy for the entire countries building industries to get put on Hold unless they get diverted to assisting Chch get back on its feet - but the rebuild can only go as fast as the money comes in, yes? And if we lack the money to do the Right Thing....well...., I heard we are almost out of money.

Do we have an opportunity to do this one time and do it well? Or do we race in and band-aid things? My opinion is irrelevant treally- Im happy with my tax money all heading to Chch to rebuild it. But I live in Auckland.....so wont go making opinions about it.

Heads-Up Chch, lots of kiwis are still thinking of yas!

[jim.cox]

I'm not conviced that rebuilding the CBD is a good idea

Most firms are now well established out of that area - and in some cases have had to take on long tenancy terms

Why would they want to go back ?

I think we may well see those tower blocks still standing, still empty years from now

[imdying]

Id be happy for the entire countries building industries to get put on Hold unless they get diverted to assisting Chch get back on its feet - but the rebuild can only go as fast as the money comes in, yes?

What happens if you do that 2 years, and then a 7.8 comes and destroys it all? Christchurch needs some work, but it also needs the country behind it to be working well too.