New non-profit documentary, fucking mind blowing.

[jonbuoy]

You don´t have to live in a throwaway society - its your choice. Stop buying cheap disposable Chinese goods as an example - cheap domestic products that last two years - buy one good quality item that will last 10-15 years (5 times as long from the same natural resources, just better designed. Don´t buy over packaged products full stop.

Buy from the local shops, stop driving star walking/cycling. Problem is all this takes effort and money from our own pockets. Its not the few people at the top that can make the most impact its the billions of us at the bottom that can make the difference.

No one will of course.

[mashman]

Hey man, what do you believe would be the best era to live in?

If there are no such toys to begin with, we will never know the enjoyment to be had from their existence and will make do just as much with other available forms, though you are probably just joking anyway .

, the best era (imho), is yet to come. It will be the one where there's no such thing as a value system. It's a stupid idea. One that has been proven, over millenia, not to work, wether it be using money, gold, sheep, blankets, firewater... they've all failed. There'd be no budget constraints (an utterly mindblowing possibility). No rich, no poor, no thieving and beating people for money and stuff, because the stuff will have no value... but all that is waaaaaaaay down in the too had basket...

heh, I was semi joking... I love technology and toys... Just because there's no "value" system, doesn't mean that technology won't exist for both practical and pleasure purposes, quite the opposite I reckon.

[Ocean1]

Sounds a bit communist to me. Complete and utter legislated way of living. I choose to kill myself.

Bit short sighted innit, dude?

Shirley the enlightened fella would kill all the communists and then do what the fuck he wants.

[ellipsis]

...I reckon a community type of living would be cool ...as long as I was the only one in mine..

[Ocean1]

I have a question for you elder ones too- what did the future seem like to you back then when you were 20?

It was filled with the promises of space exploration, longevity, conquest over diseases and really really good looking blondes.

Not sure how that changed to plastic packaging on my business shirts that serves no purpose other than trippling the price.

[ellipsis]

I have a question for you elder ones too- what did the future seem like to you back then when you were 20?

...as daunting as any other era...I seem to remember...fuel may have been under 20c a gallon...a dozen quarts of bavarian bitter may have only been 3 or 4 dollars...same as a stick of buddha...we were not as sophisticated, I seem to remember...an international act coming down south was a fucking big thing and my take home for 40 hours was pretty good for an apprentice just out of his time...70 ish bucks...and the future was just something ahead of you...never ever thought I would ever get to own a house.....

[mashman]

Nearly 3hrs? 3hrs is too long for any movie, especially one that doesn't look like it's got guns, explosions and naked women.

Watch the first 20 minutes. It has all of that in one fashion or another. (that's all i've watched so far, and will be watching on). The last 2 minutes (approx), of the 20, sum it ALL up.

[NinjaNanna]

watched the whole thing, nothing particularly ground breaking or revealing in it at all. Mind you some of us have been posting about this shit for ages.

Yes the worlds on a collision course with all fucked up, yes it'll happen well within our own lifetimes, now what are you going to do about it?

BTW kind of found it interesting that they never bothered to address the biggest problem and that is population and population control, and what is a sustainable population in their new utopia

[ellipsis]

....soylent green...

[racefactory]

Yes the worlds on a collision course with all fucked up, yes it'll happen well within our own lifetimes, now what are you going to do about it?

BTW kind of found it interesting that they never bothered to address the biggest problem and that is population and population control

That's something I would have liked them to touch on in more detail but from what I understand it is not population that is a problem caused in itself but rather a consequence of the cheap oil we have had over the last century. It is because of oil that there are nearly 7 billion of us viscous cunts on the planet right now and if it were limited to a sustainable level of consumption then there wouldn't be this problem. Probably wrong but it's something along the lines of that isn't it?

[mashman]

watched the whole thing, nothing particularly ground breaking or revealing in it at all. Mind you some of us have been posting about this shit for ages.

Yes the worlds on a collision course with all fucked up, yes it'll happen well within our own lifetimes, now what are you going to do about it?

BTW kind of found it interesting that they never bothered to address the biggest problem and that is population and population control, and what is a sustainable population in their new utopia

Tis nice to see it all put together though... there's a world full of people that feel the same way and have been warning about these things for millenia. I'm glad they keep "posting".

Personally, i'll support whoever stands up to do it properly.

I doubt we'll need population control, not for a millenia or so. During that time there'll likely be plenty of natural disasters to cull us as and when... and who the fuck wants to bring up rug rats (especially if there's no money in them)

[mashman]

This that just came out this year so hopefully some peeps will find it a good watch. What are peoples views?

A great watch thanks. Plenty of and moments. I've been steering clear of the Zeitgeist films as I'd always figured them to be pretty much of a much, just propoganda... was quite surprised to see it so thouroughly thought through and factual. I wonder if they'll make a film that will "outline" their idea for the transition from what we have, to what we could have?

[mashman]

how does the idea of one lawnmower help? Surely it runs just as long cause it has to mow as much lawn. It will wear out faster cause it now has to do all the lawns so will require replacing/servicing sooner/more often so no real saving there either.
So village communities would have to be set up around corporations otherwise some people will have to live more than 2km from their work or their partners will. Actually the whole family will have to work for the same corporation. Community living works for small enterprise type set up and in Nz we call them names like Feilding or Foxton

Are you thinking that that lawn mower runs on petrol and has an engine

[BMWST?]

Transportation reduction of people and goods should be a major consideration by planners.

Modular houses should be made in a factory production line and moved to site, rather than built up outside.

Tax rate should go up if you dont move family to within 2 km of your place of work

So every community has a house factory?

[Berries]

It is because of oil that there are nearly 7 billion of us viscous cunts on the planet right now

Pun intended right ?

I have a question for you elder ones too- what did the future seem like to you back then when you were 20?

The future was bright. Now it is fucked. Nothing to do with the video though, it's just an age thing.