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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Modern cars are virtually rust proof now though. Our Pulsar has spent its life by the beach here and not a spec of rust anywhere. It still has the original exhaust system after 12 years and the only blemishes are a couple of stone chips and shopping trolley dents which we'll get around to fixing one day...
    My Dad had an 83 Accord rustamatic and they all said buy 87 or better as the rust proofing is much improved. Then he got a 92 Toyota rustamatic and they said 95 or better will be rust free. I last visited NZ (Wanganui no H and Auckers) and saw many up to 2005 Jap and Aussie cars with significant rust. I don't think the manufacturers will ever get to the bottom of the car cancer in NZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    My Dad had an 83 Accord rustamatic and they all said buy 87 or better as the rust proofing is much improved. Then he got a 92 Toyota rustamatic and they said 95 or better will be rust free. I last visited NZ (Wanganui no H and Auckers) and saw many up to 2005 Jap and Aussie cars with significant rust. I don't think the manufacturers will ever get to the bottom of the car cancer in NZ.
    That largely depends on brand, and even down to specific models. But mostly brand. Cheap cars rust. Cars not properly galvanised rust. 80s BMWs definitely rust. However my Telstar didnt have a single bubble, after 230,000kms and living by the beach judging from the sand under the seats and the carpets... it was a 1993 NZ New.

    Yet similar age lasers have well known cancer issues, where the majority of the time the motor outlasts the body well and truly!

    My telstar died cos of a peugeot that shortened the front end of it by 50cm

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    This is nonsense.

    1. All vehicles are imports. Even when NZ used to "assemble" vehicles they were CKD kits that had been built in some foreign country. While they had NZ content, they were all delivered complete. The bits that were replaced by NZ-sourced bits were sent to landfill. This venture, together with its associated import licensing and other monoploy rents, cost New Zealand's taxpayers about $275,000 for every person employed in the "assembly" industry. That's one reason why this nonsense was sensibly discontinued.

    2. New Zealand-built cars were underspecced. It wasn't until Japanese grey imports started to appear that New Zealanders realised that things like electric mirrors, air conditioning, car stereos, laminated glass, electric windows and electric locking were features that other countries supplied as standard kit.

    3. You get what you pay for. Buyer beware.
    "Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    We're definitely looking for frugality and in the smaller to medium class. Long term costs are much higher for the vehicles you put up and reliability is not that great.

    My mate's got a Supercharged E55 AMG, tweaked of course, and the running costs are horrendous. It broke down once and it took a lot of dollars to get it fixed, not to mention mundane stuff like tyres...

    For driving fun we've got the MX5 and that still gets nigh on 40mpg even when playing with it and tyres are still relatively cheap. Servicing costs are minimal as is insurance, etc. If I had the income to support it, I'd have an Audi S4 V10 or R8...

    Short listed so far, taking account of getting the latest tech, are the Honda City for a small car and the Hyundai i45 or Ford Mondeo Titanium Hatch turbo-diesel for a medium sized car. All are new technology cars and the Hyundai i45 for a petrol has the same fuel eonomy as our Pulsar despite being much larger with all the fruit and a 2.4lt engine. The Mondeo for a 2lt diesel has more torque than our old Honda Legend yet gets 50mpg making it worth considering despite the road tax.

    Or an SUV alternative is the Hyundai ix35 TD. There are many good cars and deals around, but looking at getting the latest technology, rather than outgoing tech, and value for money, these four top the list.

    I can get fleet discount despite only wanting one car and then claim back the GST, so making a new car viable compared to second hand.
    The examples I chose are just examples of some amazing vehicles that not so long ago were the price of a reasonable house and completely outside the realm of possibility for 99% of the car buyers. I guess I'm trying to say that some dream cars have actually become affordable.....but obviously they don't suit everyones needs or wants.

    Have fun buying mate, it's your coin and your situation so it's not for me to criticise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoke View Post
    The examples I chose are just examples of some amazing vehicles that not so long ago were the price of a reasonable house and completely outside the realm of possibility for 99% of the car buyers. I guess I'm trying to say that some dream cars have actually become affordable.....but obviously they don't suit everyones needs or wants.

    Have fun buying mate, it's your coin and your situation so it's not for me to criticise.
    I take your point and you're right of course. I love my mate's E55 and to take a ride in it is an eye-opener for sure. You have to experience 500hp and 750NM to really appreciate what the numbers mean!

    Regretfully, our budget and our requirements place these in the rich toy category...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    This is nonsense.

    1. All vehicles are imports. Even when NZ used to "assemble" vehicles they were CKD kits that had been built in some foreign country. While they had NZ content, they were all delivered complete. The bits that were replaced by NZ-sourced bits were sent to landfill. This venture, together with its associated import licensing and other monoploy rents, cost New Zealand's taxpayers about $275,000 for every person employed in the "assembly" industry. That's one reason why this nonsense was sensibly discontinued.

    2. New Zealand-built cars were underspecced. It wasn't until Japanese grey imports started to appear that New Zealanders realised that things like electric mirrors, air conditioning, car stereos, laminated glass, electric windows and electric locking were features that other countries supplied as standard kit.

    3. You get what you pay for. Buyer beware.
    You're right on two counts. NZ'rs never knew what they were missing out on in our overpriced and underspecced car market. Our Morris Marina cost us $5k, after the advent of Jap Imports is was worth about $1500. Our '83 Pulsar Plus cost us $11k! After '86 it was worth about $3,500.

    But the early days of the imports were a Wild West, Caveat Emptor situation where dodgy dealers flourished and winding back speedo's was an industry in itself. Lies about every aspect of the cars were the normal way of doing business and NZ was truly the rubbish dump of Japan's auto industry. So yes, we were alerted to better spec and better pricing, but we were totally naive as to the shoddy business practices of the dealers who became very rich at the public's expense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Our Morris Marina cost us $5k
    Someone saw you coming. They were $3500 new in 73
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    Quote Originally Posted by Owl View Post
    Someone saw you coming. They were $3500 new in 73
    1980, mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    1980, mate.
    An appreciating Marina........who'd have thought?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Owl View Post
    An appreciating Marina........who'd have thought?
    It was a 1980 model...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    It was a 1980 model...
    I'm struggling with the thought that they were produced for so long
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    3. You get what you pay for. Buyer beware.
    And, that, to my mind, is the issue in a nutshell.

    I've heard stories of NZ cars being shagged after 5 minutes and Jappa (JUCs) going forever.

    Depends on the car and how it's been treated....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Owl View Post
    I'm struggling with the thought that they were produced for so long
    They were a basically good car in their day, apart from two known issues - the front Armstrong dampers which were apparently designed for two upper arms and were only fitted with one causing premature wear, and the gearbox wasn't strong enough being designed for the 1300. The extra torque of the bigger engines wore out first and second gear bearings.

    Ours was the final model with the alloy head 1700 motor and was torquey and comfortable, would surprise bigger cars on the hills and had a big boot to boot...
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    yeh only good compared to the rest of the crap, 80s were not a good time in the car industry. Jeez I must be getting old to remember them

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    I had a 1979 Morris Marina 1700L.

    WOW - What a car! - Carpets, a Radio, and even Head Rests.

    "Take that you Japs" - says Mr British Leyland.

    Then the Marina became the 'Ital' and that Alegro just got better and better. By the time the Maestro and Montego came along..............

    Beating the British out of the automotive market must have been like stealing toffee from kids.

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