Can someone show me the law?

[MSTRS:Me]

Do the Double yellow limit line at a Stop sign-controlled intersection have any meaning? If you look at the stop sign rule it is a complete stop clear of intersection where you can see the way is clear, no mention of lines. Intersection definition goes on about kerbs, again no mention of lines. I always thought these lines were just suggestion

I have always taken the limit lines to mean stop short of this point. The Roadcode says "Single or double yellow lines are marked on sealed roads to help you stop where you can best see other traffic."
Give Way is a single or double white. Stop is a double yellow.
I've always thought that the lines are there to tell motorists what sort of controlled intersection it is - if the sign has been taken out (eg)

[MSTRS:Me]

see this is why it is kind of interesting to me. Everyone knows the rules, but very few know the law.

If it was the law, we could find it in NZTA's website...

Belay that...found it here

[oneofsix]

If it was the law, we could find it in NZTA's website...

you have more faith in their websites search function than sir, or perhaps more experience with it.

[Scuba_Steve]

If it was the law, we could find it in NZTA's website...

Belay that...found it here

"You can cross over the solid yellow no-passing line (if it is safe to do so) when making a turn to enter a driveway or side road.

However, bear in mind that no-passing lines are often marked where visibility is limited, so special care is required. It may be safer to turn further along the road, where visibility is better. See Passing for more information about no-passing lines."

we'll guess this means you were right you can turn over yellow lines, but still no exact wording & the road code is not law, just a guide. Much like what I mentioned before we all know the rules but very few know the law. But cheers that is one step towards the truth

[MSTRS:Me]

Fine line (if it exists at all) between the Roadcode and the law.
Fines are imposed for breaking the law, correct? Transgress on a 'guide' in the Roadcode...you get fined. I'm failing to see the difference.

[Scuba_Steve]

Fine line (if it exists at all) between the Roadcode and the law.
Fines are imposed for breaking the law, correct? Transgress on a 'guide' in the Roadcode...you get fined. I'm failing to see the difference.

Some yes, but others are like yellow speed signs, they are just recommendations & the wording also can make a difference. The road guide does make a point of stating anything contained within is not law just a guide to it mainly because it is a much simplified guide to the law. I am after The Law

[Smifffy]

I can see issues with knowing exactly what the law is these days, because it seems like everyone and their sister has decided that a few yellow lines sprayed around the place will help their particular cause. Mall and supermarket carparks, and service lanes being classic cases of road marking gone wild.

[MSTRS:Me]

Some yes, but others are like yellow speed signs, they are just recommendations & the wording also can make a difference. The road guide does make a point of stating anything contained within is not law just a guide to it mainly because it is a much simplified guide to the law. I am after The Law

Actually, the yellow speed advisory signs are law for trucks. In theory, at least, they indicate a safe speed for a truck to negotiate that particular corner without risking roll-over.
I doubt that there is any such thing as Law, when it comes to road rules in general. I seem to recall that NZTA is controlled by an Act and given authority to implement, impose, remove and alter rules that they oversee. Hence the current electronic roadcode IS law.

[CookMySock]

the road code is not law, just a guide.

If the advice (the road code) was offered by some relevant (seemingly)authoritive source for the purposes of advising you with regard to law, and it was clear to an ordinary citizen that this advice could reasonably be relied upon, then in a court of law they will have an extremely difficult time with presenting a contrasting opinion.

Which means if the road code says you can do it, then you can.

[Scuba_Steve]

If the advice (the road code) was offered by some relevant (seemingly)authoritive source for the purposes of advising you with regard to law, and it was clear to an ordinary citizen that this advice could reasonably be relied upon, then in a court of law they will have an extremely difficult time with presenting a contrasting opinion.

Which means if the road code says you can do it, then you can.

except for if you've ever brought the road code it states clearly in the beginning of the book this it is just a guide, it is not necessarily the law & it cannot be used as defence.
But all this argument about weather the road code represents the law still doesn't help with my search for the actual wording on the law to do with yellow lines of different sorts nor the reversing onto a road rule (if still around)

[MSTRS:Me]

except for if you've ever brought the road code it states clearly in the beginning of the book this it is just a guide, it is not necessarily the law & it cannot be used as defence.
But all this argument about weather the road code represents the law still doesn't help with my search for the actual wording on the law to do with yellow lines of different sorts nor the reversing onto a road rule (if still around)

You won't find traffic law anywhere but in the roadcode.
That disclaimer is to cover the fact that a printed booklet can be obselete until the next revision print...

[Scuba_Steve]

You won't find traffic law anywhere but in the roadcode.
That disclaimer is to cover the fact that a printed booklet can be obselete until the next revision print...

what??? So this doesn't exist??? Land Transport Act 1998

[CookMySock]

[...] doesn't help with my search for the actual wording on the law

Yeah soz. I doubt you will find it. If you do, see if you can also find the bit where they define where a stop sign goes and where a give-way sign goes. I find the placement of each to be arbitrary and haphazard to such a random extent, that I have to examine each and every one indiviually. Seemingly the police even find it just as difficult with the stop sign right outside my home, going by the amount of times they run right through it.

except for if you've ever brought the road code it states clearly in the beginning of the book this it is just a guide, it is not necessarily the law & it cannot be used as defence.

Disclaimers don't mean anything. If they offer relevant advice from a relevant govt agency concerning some relevant law, in such a manner that an ordinary citizen can read it and rely on it, then they are not in a position to arbitrarily revoke it. Principle of Estoppel applies.

I'd go as far as saying 90% of their more trivial rules and statutes are designed to be as ambiguous and arcane as possible, specifically for the purpose of their financial gain, but hey I'm just guessing there!

[MSTRS:Me]

what??? So this doesn't exist???

Aha. I knew there was an 'Act' that covered stuff. The bit I referred to is Section 11
This is why the printed roadcode should not be taken as gospel. Because the minister (or NZTA on his behalf) can change, remove or add rules at any time.
Read a copy of the 2009 Roadcode...I'll bet there's nothing in there re using cellphones, but have a look at the 2010 copy...

[Ender EnZed]

Actually, the yellow speed advisory signs are law for trucks

Really? I got my Class 2 fairly recently and I don't recall anything about those signs carrying extra legal meaning for trucks.