Greenie predictions from Earth Day 1970.

[Woodman]

Get real.......Go Green.

The problem with the green movement is that they have a major image problem. They tend to come across as huggy wuggy whining wimps. They need to man up a bit (a lot) and put more focus on real conservation and leave the gays, the unemployed, and the criminals etc to fend for themselves.

[Winston001]

Couldn't agree more and the Greens lack of political nouce is surprising. Green movements tend to attract educated people who are confident at expressing themselves and able to construct strong cases for their position. So why do we seem to have half-wit Green politicians who bang on about a single issue and don't answer the criticisms of their views?

Not every Green certainly, but I can think of a few who put me off because of their rabid rants.

[SPman]

Damn hippies.

Yep - the hippie days were great ........

[SPman]

We can get by without Bees as there are many other species like Flies, Moths ,Wasps ,Bumble Bees etc that do a heck of alot of Pollinating.....its just that we cant domesticate them like the Honey Bee & so are unable to do the bulk pollinating of our industrialised food crops.Im presently going thru the initial invasion stage of Varroa with my hives,& are reliant at this stage on a pesticide to save them....
So I think that the Bee drama playing out is really just the Tip of the iceberg & its only because of its huge immportance to "US" that its making the news & I really think we should also be very concernd about the huge ammounts of pesticide used worldwide.It kills ALL insects.
I live where we see blizzards of bugs still on an evening breeze,& my Veranda is festooned & bedraggled by webs galore....I wonder how anyone in thier right mind can contemplate coating the inside of thier homes with insecticide that will kill everything that comes into contact with it....
Im sure its safe eh , as the USA Food & Drug Agency says everything is....
We are reaping what we sow.

Get real.......Go Green.

Plenty of bees over here in Aus.. it's lovely to stand outside and listen to the buzzing hum of thousands of the little fuckers all busy in the bushes........just keep your verroa mite to yourselves!

[JimO]

we will have to watch out for this ice age........ “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”

[Mully]

"Why do they call it an ice age?"
"Because. Of all. The ice!!"

[puddytat]

The problem with the green movement is that they have a major image problem. They tend to come across as huggy wuggy whining wimps. They need to man up a bit (a lot) and put more focus on real conservation and leave the gays, the unemployed, and the criminals etc to fend for themselves.

Man I totally agree with you....
I think that they are possibly wasting the biggest chance yet at actually becoming a political force to be reckonned with, as Labour is dribblin all over the place, National is way in the lead alright but who the fuck trusts them? I talk shit with heaps of different people & many are worried by what they see as a "hidden agenda" Are they in front purely becuse Joe Public really doesnt have a credible alternative?
No one in thier right mind would allow Douglas & Brash anywhere near more power than they've got, & well as for the Whanau they like most, will swop sides to whoever will take 'em. Like Dunn.Like Peters.....

Political Nirvana for me is a green Party that has a right wing.Fuck the Crimms. Fuck the Polluters.Fuck foreign ownership.Fuck G.E. etc etc etc.....
And while I can understand those that will say "You cant do that 'cause we'll lose credibility with foreign investors".... well fuck them too!! What do we have to lose? We're already broke FFS!!
I think that we need to do it our way....for us.Make a point of differance in this mundane media driven drivel that is this pre-apocolyptical world we live in. Call their bluff!! Say "Fuck you & your overvalued worthless scam called money markets & shares,what do I care, lets just print more money like the rest of you....Fuck you cause none of us really have faith in your system no more, it aint cutting the custard...
It would certainly get the worlds attention....imagine the headlines "NZ says Nah, get fucked"

Imagine.......

[JimO]

It would certainly get the worlds attention....imagine the headlines "NZ says Nah, get fucked"

Imagine.......

Already done it with the no nukes policy, wonder how much that has cost us over the years

[Woodman]

Already done it with the no nukes policy, wonder how much that has cost us over the years

Who gives a fuck about cost?? No nukes was a great policy, sadly not followed through.

[puddytat]

I reckon its earnt us more than cost us....respect wise anyway.
But the t's are crossed & the i's dotted so we might have them by morning tea time the day after the election...
How long have we & everyone else on the planet been waiting on that Free Trade Agreement with that bastion of rights & democracy & Lobbyists

[mashman]

It would certainly get the worlds attention....imagine the headlines "NZ says, Yeh, Nah, get fucked"

Imagine.......

fixed for ya

[Urano]

well, in regard of our own, we should stop using oil as fuel.
not for greenies, but because we cannot burn it.
we need it for the chem industry...

[shrub]

The problem with the green movement is that they have a major image problem. They tend to come across as huggy wuggy whining wimps. They need to man up a bit (a lot) and put more focus on real conservation and leave the gays, the unemployed, and the criminals etc to fend for themselves.

You're right about the image issue. I'm a member and I have been to a few Green party planning meetings (I'm also a member of National and Labour - I figure that I might as well know as much as possible about the various parties). I struggle not to walk out early from Green meetings because most of the people there are the vegetarians on bicycles type of person and are well meaning but out of touch with everything. Mind you, National party meetings are filled with fat old farmers and accountants that are bitter about everything. I've only been to one Labour party meeting and that was about 3 years ago and they actually seemed pretty normal.

As for focus on conservation, I agree there but we need to have a party that is willing to look at the big issues intelligently. The way National and Labour have treated crime and punishment is a shocker - we have one of the highest rates of imprisonment in the developed world - worse than Libya, Mexico, Algeria and even Saudi Arabia! In fact about the only developed country worse than us is the US. Are Kiwis dramatically more dishonest and violent than poms, Germans, Japs and Norwegians? Or is our police force much more efficient at policing crime? Does our high incarceration rate mean less people offend? Or is it merely showing Mike and Mary Concerned of Herne Bay that Something Is Being Done? And can we really afford to have thousands of people locked up and costing us a brazillian dollars a year?

Should we look at the models used in places like the Netherlands, Germany and Denmark, all of which have less than half as many people in prison per 100,000 population? Do we need to look at crime as a symptom of a deeper malaise? Should we make stopping crime more of a priority than putting people in prison?

If you look at the Green's policies, most of them make a hell of a lot of sense and while I dislike linking myself with vegetarians on bicycles, I will continue to support them unless a party with smarter and more innovative policies emerges.

[JimO]

- we have one of the highest rates of imprisonment in the developed world - worse than Libya, Mexico, Algeria and even Saudi Arabia! In fact about the only developed country worse than us is the US. Are Kiwis dramatically more dishonest and violent than poms, Germans, Japs and Norwegians? Or is our police force much more efficient at policing crime? Does our high incarceration rate mean less people offend?

that has a lot to do with the racial make up of the population. Have a look at what races make up most of the prison population here, how many of those particular races live in those other countrys, same can be said for our obesity rates, take the islanders out of the equation and NZ wouldnt be rating as high as it does

[shrub]

that has a lot to do with the racial make up of the population. Have a look at what races make up most of the prison population here, how many of those particular races live in those other countrys, same can be said for our obesity rates, take the islanders out of the equation and NZ wouldnt be rating as high as it does

You have to be kidding. Are you trying to say that NZ's high rate of incarceration is because we have a lot of islanders here? How come the Cook Islands, Tonga, Fiji and Samoa all have lower rates than us? Do only the bad ones come over here?

Idiotic thinking like that is why we will never resolve the problem. Try looking at other factors that are consistently higher in the prison population than with us good, white and god fearing folk:

• Undiagnosed mental health problems
• Poor education and illiteracy
• Poverty
• Poor role modelling in childhood
• Drug and alcohol addiction

Could any of them be the causes? Or are islanders geneticaly inclined to break the law?