NZ laws 'encourage criminals'

[short-circuit]

Pretty simple really - If you are interested in living in a society where the crime rate is low, vote for policies that:
- Aim to create full employment
- Minimize poverty
- Reduce large disparities in wealth between people

[Spearfish]

Does any criminal in NZ know they have ever been punished ?

I think the punishment for some isn't ever a factor when engaging in criminal behaviour I also think its hard for the average New Zealander to comprehend that some criminals can rape/burgal/murder/assault someone just as easily and casually as the average NZ driver will do 60kph in a 50 zone.

[Spearfish]

Pretty simple really - If you are interested in living in a society where the crime rate is low, vote for policies that:
- Aim to create full employment
- Minimize poverty
- Reduce large disparities in wealth between people

That's a socialist insult to the right if self determination: "I'm poor so I must be lesser of a person and must be a criminal, I'm to stupid to do anything by myself so It MUST be handed to me".
You know that true because Sue Bradford was the founder of an unemployed workers union!!
The other side of the coin it generates guilt for those who have worked hard and achieved something for themselves, or those so called "Rich pricks" labeled as the doom of society by the previous government.

We have been telling to many people that shyt for to long.

Rather than cutting off the flowers to feed the weeds why not give people more chances and teach the skills and develop the confidence required for more expectation out of life for themselves?

I would suggest being poor has is as much a symptom as crime is. There are some wealthy wankers who are crims and some poor who hold up their communities.

[jazfender]

Pretty simple really - If you are interested in living in a society where the crime rate is low, vote for policies that:
- Aim to create full employment
- Minimize poverty
- Reduce large disparities in wealth between people

That doesn't take psychopaths into account.

[scissorhands]

That doesn't take psychopaths into account.

hello?

If those blaardy Tory bastards didnt dumb down the masses for cheap labour, didnt have immigration policy for cheap labour, never in the past took slaves from another continent, for cheap labour......we wouldnt be in this crime mess.


The problem is obviously cheap labour, or Torys, or immigration, or something else

I got a raw deal, so I'm looking for a steal

[mashman]

Pah. All people really want is money. Some will commit activities that are deemed illegal to get the stuff, both rich and poor. If you don't remove the money, crime rates will continue to rise, poverty will always exist and we'll keep looking for the magic bullet to all of societies ills. Funny, because some know what the magic bullet is... just seems that those in power can't figure it out... and they're our brightest ... an 8 year old kid could run the country better than the current lot.

[SPman]

Egalitarian society SUCH as NZ

How long since you've been in NZ????

[Winston001]

Pretty simple really - If you are interested in living in a society where the crime rate is low, vote for policies that:
- Aim to create full employment
- Minimize poverty
- Reduce large disparities in wealth between people

Aye but there's the rub. How does any government achieve that? The USSR tried, China tried, Cuba is still trying...

Economic theory says that there will always be 4% of any population which cannot work no matter how high tech or low tech. Some people are always on the margins.

Another economic study suggests that the 20th century is an historical anomaly when we had full employment. Over centuries, unemployment has been more normal than steady work.

I do agree we have to look at redistribution of wealth which isn't hard to achieve, but it has to be fair and not too harsh.

[Brian d marge]

How long since you've been in NZ????

it was the New Zealand that raised me , and it was /Is bloody good and Ill be damned if I will let the idiots destroy it

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Aye but there's the rub. How does any government achieve that? The USSR tried, China tried, Cuba is still trying...

Economic theory says that there will always be 4% of any population which cannot work no matter how high tech or low tech. Some people are always on the margins.

Another economic study suggests that the 20th century is an historical anomaly when we had full employment. Over centuries, unemployment has been more normal than steady work.

I do agree we have to look at redistribution of wealth which isn't hard to achieve, but it has to be fair and not too harsh.

New Zealand Had that ..for nearly 40 years after the war ... Slowly eroded by the consumer society and debt .

Never mind it will be back

Stephen

[Ocean1]

Actually yes


Ps and to quote your ownself ( a lack of trained people are definatly heading towards the dole , and the who give a F, anymore .........)

I didn’t attribute blame for that, did I? Let’s do it now eh? It’s caused by the same effect as the other issues you mentioned, the lack of a link between cost and benefit. If the apprentices of the time had to live on what they earned, (fuck all) while they were trained then they would have cost less to train and there’d be more of them. If private industry had paid for that training at it’s true value both in terms of the training itself and of the wages they paid for it then it wouldn’t be as thin on the ground as it is.

Manufacturers make the same mistake today, they believe they’re selling a product, a simple commodity. They’re selling knowledge, the skill required to manufacture, and there’s a disconnect between that skill and the income it generates.

Pretty simple really - If you are interested in living in a society where the crime rate is low, vote for policies that:
- Aim to create full employment
- Minimize poverty
- Reduce large disparities in wealth between people

Most generous. Hope you’ve got a fucking deep pocket.

New Zealand Had that ..for nearly 40 years after the war ... Slowly eroded by the consumer society and debt .

Never mind it will be back

Stephen

NZ had a workforce that’d just participated in an alternative to constructive employment. When you can offer an alternative as unattractive you’ll get the same understanding, dedication and productivity, and not until.

While I insist that prosperity absolutely requires hard work I will agree there’s a serious negative regarding the current business environment. There’s far too many effective monopolies. The objective seems to be far too focused on cornering a market rather than servicing it. I blame the Aussies.

[Genestho]

Regarding Badlands...

Have a read of this from Kim Workman on Monday:
http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/039in...rofess/5/88562

And then this from the publisher - Ian Wishart today: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO110...r-new-book.htm

[mashman]

Regarding Badlands...

Have a read of this from Kim Workman on Monday:
http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/039in...rofess/5/88562

And then this from the publisher - Ian Wishart today: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO110...r-new-book.htm

The Insider looking out and the outsider looking in. Heaven forbid that the outsider knows more about the inside than the insider ... best try to discredit him quickly... just in case... I hope David responds to Kim... in fact it should be televised

[Headbanger]

(How much for milk?? IN NZ ?? Go fonterra !!!)
Stephen

Cheaper then a pie. Its all good.