Rodney Hide resigns

[Hitcher]

Well obviously National didn't get a majority in the last election either, otherwise they wouldn't have had to form a coalition (ie back hand deals) with ACT, the Maori party and Peter Dunne.

One day people will realise that that is the whole point of MMP. Invented in post-war Germany to stop the Nazis regaining power, it's a system that's deliberately designed to play the ends off against the middle. In New Zealand it results in us, every three years, getting a Government that nobody voted for.

Never mind. People think they love MMP, despite most not having a clue how their two votes work. Just brilliant. Democracy is an outstanding concept.

[mashman]

I didn't think it was that cryptic, but fair enough...

I oppose just about everything your dictatorship stands for. I agree with the Health and Education issues, but they will never be solved by privatisation... their profit margins will see to that. And I don't believe people are stupid at all, not really.

I'm glad someone used it for what it was for. I lived amongst plenty of people who didn't view YTS that way.

I wholly believe that apprenticeships are the primary way forwards for human beings. But not the way they're currently being used, or have been used for the last 20 years. They should have had all of the funding they required to make them attractive to prospective job hunters, but seem to be seen as menial tasks. If you want people to contribute/learn, you have to pay them enough to have a life. Hardly surprising so many stay on the dole.

Only the working should get the right to vote they are the ones paying for everything.

To what end?

[BoristheBiter]

Well obviously National didn't get a majority in the last election either, otherwise they wouldn't have had to form a coalition (ie back hand deals) with ACT, the Maori party and Peter Dunne.

Hence my last few words in that post.
This system is shit and after what Hitcher posted above there is nothing else to say.

[Quasievil]

I agree with the Health and Education issues, but they will never be solved by privatisation... their profit margins will see to that.

Oh Okay, I got it I now understand your politics, profit is bad, rightio then, just imagine having profitable business in this country OMG

best we keep borrowing $300 mil a week then eh lol


there is no helping you now.

[BoristheBiter]

I wholly believe that apprenticeships are the primary way forwards for human beings. But not the way they're currently being used, or have been used for the last 20 years. They should have had all of the funding they required to make them attractive to prospective job hunters, but seem to be seen as menial tasks. If you want people to contribute/learn, you have to pay them enough to have a life. Hardly surprising so many stay on the dole.

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They stay on the dole because they are lazy and don't want to do a good days work.

I just don't subscribe to your point of view on this. I did my trade and advanced trade at the end of the 80's, most people i work with or employ are tradesman, having gone though an apprenticeship scheme of some type and i can't say i know of one person that would have contemplated being on the dole or being part of this group you are talking about and most like me would be highly offended you have put them into this category of bludgers.

[pete376403]

Oh Okay, I got it I now understand your politics, profit is bad, rightio then, just imagine having profitable business in this country OMG

best we keep borrowing $300 mil a week then eh lol
there is no helping you now.

How much of that $300mill/week is being used to fund the tax cuts for the wealthy?
Sure that there's Christchurch to pay for but English has been going on about that borrowing since National got in, long before they had an earthquake to clean up.

[pete376403]

Hence my last few words in that post.
This system is shit and after what Hitcher posted above there is nothing else to say.

Mmm okay - I read your post as saying that Labour somehow got in on the back of shonky deals with the unstated implication was that National didn't need to do that. I stand corrected.

[mashman]

Oh Okay, I got it I now understand your politics, profit is bad, rightio then, just imagine having profitable business in this country OMG

best we keep borrowing $300 mil a week then eh lol


there is no helping you now.

I'd venture that you don't understand my politics, not many do ... they goes way beyond profit.

That 300 is 350 according to the media, and as prices aren't dropping you can bank on it rising. Let's see what the crown accounts say a years after National have sold off the assets they'd like to. We'll probably be up at 400 per week by then.

[BoristheBiter]

Mmm okay - I read your post as saying that Labour somehow got in on the back of shonky deals with the unstated implication was that National didn't need to do that. I stand corrected.

I should have split that last sentence up.

The problem is as they are just as bad as each other so who do you vote for?
I am sick of the petty school ground shit that these guys/girls do on a daily basis.
But then you see it on here so why should we expect any difference from those we vote into government.

[mashman]

They stay on the dole because they are lazy and don't want to do a good days work.

I just don't subscribe to your point of view on this. I did my trade and advanced trade at the end of the 80's, most people i work with or employ are tradesman, having gone though an apprenticeship scheme of some type and i can't say i know of one person that would have contemplated being on the dole or being part of this group you are talking about and most like me would be highly offended you have put them into this category of bludgers.

I agree to a point. But I reckon if the money was more realistic, there'd be more out there using the schemes.

I lived in a street, for 6 years, full of those who did the schemes to get the monkey off their backs, no more. They didnlt do their apprenticeships for long at all... all this in a country the size of NZ, but with 60+ million people... That street no longer exists, they flattened it (quelle surprise)... but the people will still be the same. Funny as fuck, and earning as much as they need in a manner they find less "taxing" ... "scams" passed on through generations .

I'm not bagging those who used the apprenticeship system for learning, generating a career etc... and i'm certainly not putting them in with the bludgers... I've seen the other side of the same coin, in the country that I lived in.

[Winston001]

I am sick of the petty school ground shit that these guys/girls do on a daily basis.
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Me too. But that is how political debate is carried on all over the world. In some countries (Philippines?) they even have fights in the parliament.

Ok - David Lange tried to change all this petty backbiting in the first year of the 1984 Labour Government. It was refreshing to hear MPs agreeing with each other across the House and even passing compliments. Of course it never lasted (sigh)...

Geoffrey Palmer tried as well but was unsuccessful.

The problem is - if the bitter comments on KB and Radio Pacific are any guide - that people like nasty insults being hurled, and seize on soundbites as if they were truths.

I think in this very thread there is a reference to "fund the tax-cuts for the wealthy". That is inflammatory, misleading, but exactly the sort of thing people love to repeat. The reality is 10% of people pay 75% of the tax to support the rest of us. Plus taxation is taking away somebody's income, not a gift to that person - any slight reduction can only be a move toward fairness.

[BoristheBiter]

I agree to a point. But I reckon if the money was more realistic, there'd be more out there using the schemes.

I lived in a street, for 6 years, full of those who did the schemes to get the monkey off their backs, no more. They didnlt do their apprenticeships for long at all... all this in a country the size of NZ, but with 60+ million people... That street no longer exists, they flattened it (quelle surprise)... but the people will still be the same. Funny as fuck, and earning as much as they need in a manner they find less "taxing" ... "scams" passed on through generations .

I'm not bagging those who used the apprenticeship system for learning, generating a career etc... and i'm certainly not putting them in with the bludgers... I've seen the other side of the same coin, in the country that I lived in.

OK so where are we talking?
Guess it wasn't NZ then so you really have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to them in this country do you?

They didn't do there apprenticeship because they are lazy fucks and would rather someone else pay for their shit.

I went from a below average wage while servicing my time to now being very comfortable, why? because I can see the bigger picture. If there are still in the same street doing the same shit after 20 years who is thw bigger fool?

[Spearfish]

I went from a below average wage while servicing my time to now being very comfortable, why? because I can see the bigger picture. If there are still in the same street doing the same shit after 20 years who is the bigger fool?

I'm the same, its probably not the done thing to say so though?

In your few words is the key and its not just being able to see the bigger picture.

[BoristheBiter]

I'm the same, its probably not the done thing to say so though?

In your few words is the key and its not just being able to see the bigger picture.

Too many people like to sit back and blame someone else for their shit life.
Its like watching a fat person say i can't lose weight while sitting in front of the TV, eating a pack of chips.

[Quasievil]

How much of that $300mill/week is being used to fund the tax cuts for the wealthy?
Sure that there's Christchurch to pay for but English has been going on about that borrowing since National got in, long before they had an earthquake to clean up.

Whats weathly ?
And the so called weathly pay most of the tax so dont go down that road of "labour spouted savour of the poor" bullshit.

Im all about huge reduction of tax and privatization, as I said, I can spend my money on my required services far better than any stupid politician with an agenda.