well i managed to fix them. turns out my mate knew exactly what he was doing we had them both fixed up in about an hr including a woodstock
was actually very interesting for me to pull the front wheel off having never done it before.
unfortunately i thought adjusting the chain cant be so hard simply tighten the adjusters evenly right...
now i have a new problem, when the chain link is on the front sprocket the chain is really tight (no movement) but anywhere on the chain loop its really loose (about 2 inches up and down) all good though just another learning curve and some more woodstocks
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