9/11 conspiracy debate

[scumdog]

to what end? If that's true, that is a scarey read.

And it is going to affect us how??

And if it IS going to affect us what the hell can we do about it?

(Me? - I'll start swatting my Biggles books...)

[Oscar]

to what end? If that's true, that is a scarey read.

In the past the peasants were afraid of ogres and witches.
Now it's world domination conspiracy...

You shouldn't read scary shit on KB in the middle of the night, otherwise the boogieman might come calling

[onearmedbandit]

If you knew who assassinated JFK, would that make a difference in your life?

If you knew the moon landings were faked, would that make a difference in your life?

And so, if you knew 9/11 was an 'inside-job', would that make a difference in your life?

Wouldn't make one iota of difference in my life. I'd still get up in the morning, eat my breakfast, go about my day, eat my dinner, and put my head to rest at night.

The (alternative) conspiracy supporters accuse me of being 'dumb', 'blind', 'ignorant', or shock horror, a 'sheep'. Well I've read both sides of the argument, and I'm happy to accept the party line. It works for me, and it allows me to get on with my own life, rather than trying to prove everyone else wrong by pulling bits and pieces out of quotes, timelines and videos.

Plain and simple, it doesn't affect me, unless I let it. And even if it is all true, even if the American Govt. killed their own to justify a war, it still doesn't affect me, and eventually I'll be dead, still not being affected by it all. The CT's will go to their graves still pointing fingers at every grassy knoll and every tall building.

[Ocean1]

In the past the peasants were afraid of ogres and witches.

Some of us keep the faith...

[Maki]

If you knew who assassinated JFK, would that make a difference in your life?

If you knew the moon landings were faked, would that make a difference in your life?

And so, if you knew 9/11 was an 'inside-job', would that make a difference in your life?

Wouldn't make one iota of difference in my life. I'd still get up in the morning, eat my breakfast, go about my day, eat my dinner, and put my head to rest at night.

The (alternative) conspiracy supporters accuse me of being 'dumb', 'blind', 'ignorant', or shock horror, a 'sheep'. Well I've read both sides of the argument, and I'm happy to accept the party line. It works for me, and it allows me to get on with my own life, rather than trying to prove everyone else wrong by pulling bits and pieces out of quotes, timelines and videos.

Plain and simple, it doesn't affect me, unless I let it. And even if it is all true, even if the American Govt. killed their own to justify a war, it still doesn't affect me, and eventually I'll be dead, still not being affected by it all. The CT's will go to their graves still pointing fingers at every grassy knoll and every tall building.

Those are good questions. This thread says a lot more about how the human mind works than it does about what really happened on 911. How do we decide what to believe? Why do we believe it? Those questions are worth pondering.

As long as we don't let it affect us and we don't go around killing people because we assume they did something or hide because we are scared of made up bogey men, then it's all good I suppose.

I really struggle to believe that the American government is responsible for 911. If you stop for a second and consider what the American government really is: "The Federal Government of the United States is the national government of the constitutional republic of fifty states that is the United States of America. The federal government comprises three distinct branches of government, a legislature, an executive and a judiciary. These branches and their various powers are delineated in the U.S. Constitution; the powers are specified in greater detail in laws enacted by Congress."
I don't really think so...

And Bin Laden? Don't make me laugh...

[Oscar]

Some of us keep the faith...

Just watch out fer those Aliems...

[ellipsis]

....all of the written history of civilisation as we know it is a collective bunch of stories that have multiple endings and written, usually after the facts, by someone who has put their slant on it, usually due to their prior understanding of history, or to reinforce some kind of ideological stance of the society they live in...we choose which one we believe or are forced to be dogmatic about the one that suits the times, generally because its the one thats been ingrained....if you dwell in the past, the ghosts of that past will always be holding up your future and you will miss out on the real bit...the NOW...written history of the human struggle to dominate each other is as they say, compiled by the victor and is just about power and the retention of it....the story just keeps going round and round...most of history is a repeat ...just played out with newer and bigger toys, every few generations...believe what you like...Im off for a ride...going to meet up with Spongey and Patrick...

[mashman]

And it is going to affect us how??

And if it IS going to affect us what the hell can we do about it?

(Me? - I'll start swatting my Biggles books...)

As OAB says, it affects you as much as you allow it to... but in answer to your question on how it affects us a couple of quotes from the long looooong document... even longer when yer a sloooooowwwww reader:

1790: Mayer Amschel Rothschild states,

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."

1811: The charter for the Rothschilds Bank of the United States runs out and Congress votes against its renewal. Nathan Mayer Rothschild is not amused and he states,

"Either the application for renewal of the charter is granted, or the United States will find itself involved in a most disastrous war."

1849: Gutle Schnaper, Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s wife dies. Before her death she would nonchalantly state,

"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none."


If after over 150 years of the utterances above (and if the statements are true), and there is a family that is "running the world", then we're already affected. After all, we ALL need money to live.

As for what we do about it , based on the above statements... I can think of only one thing, but it'll never happen.

In the past the peasants were afraid of ogres and witches.
Now it's world domination conspiracy...

You shouldn't read scary shit on KB in the middle of the night, otherwise the boogieman might come calling

Peasants were just people with less money than those who decided to group those with less money as peasants.

As mentioned above, if any of those statements is true and this one also: "There are now only 5 nations on the world left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba; and Libya. " Any of those been in the news recently ... I'd say, based on what I believe, that global domination is very much the name of the game and is not a conspiracy at all. To that end, anything goes...

Being thick skulled has it's advantages... and in this case, I don't have bad dreams ...

[scumdog]

Nobody know of any quotes showing non-Jews are not good people and are manipulating the world??

Or is it JUST Jews that do that sort of thing??

[mashman]

Nobody know of any quotes showing non-Jews are not good people and are manipulating the world??

Or is it JUST Jews that do that sort of thing??

Doesn't matter if they're black, white, yellow, christian, catholic, islamic etc... someone's up to something.

[Oscar]

As OAB says, it affects you as much as you allow it to... but in answer to your question on how it affects us a couple of quotes from the long looooong document... even longer when yer a sloooooowwwww reader:

1790: Mayer Amschel Rothschild states,

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."

1811: The charter for the Rothschilds Bank of the United States runs out and Congress votes against its renewal. Nathan Mayer Rothschild is not amused and he states,

"Either the application for renewal of the charter is granted, or the United States will find itself involved in a most disastrous war."

1849: Gutle Schnaper, Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s wife dies. Before her death she would nonchalantly state,

"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none."


If after over 150 years of the utterances above (and if the statements are true), and there is a family that is "running the world", then we're already affected. After all, we ALL need money to live.

As for what we do about it , based on the above statements... I can think of only one thing, but it'll never happen.



Peasants were just people with less money than those who decided to group those with less money as peasants.

As mentioned above, if any of those statements is true and this one also: "There are now only 5 nations on the world left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba; and Libya. " Any of those been in the news recently ... I'd say, based on what I believe, that global domination is very much the name of the game and is not a conspiracy at all. To that end, anything goes...

Being thick skulled has it's advantages... and in this case, I don't have bad dreams ...

Do you seriously believe that crap?

An example at random:

Backed by Rothschild money, and Nathan Mayer Rothschild's orders, the British declare war on the United States.

(This refers to the War of 1812)
Apart from the fact that we're supposed to accept that bald statement with no proof at all:

Firstly, it was the Americans that declared war on the British. Also the British were already at war with France, so weren't keen for a second front.

But mainly, that war had been coming for decades. Not only was there friction on the Canadian borders and in the West Indies, the Royal Navy Blockade of France was causing friction with US traders and the RN was also in the habit of impressing US sailors.

So to say that the war was started at the orders of one man is beyond belief.
To read that drivel non-critically is bad enough, but to post it on the interweb is pretty much an admission that your tin foil cap has shorted out

[mashman]

Do you seriously believe that crap?

An example at random:

Backed by Rothschild money, and Nathan Mayer Rothschild's orders, the British declare war on the United States.
(This refers to the War of 1812)
Apart from the fact that we're supposed to accept that bald statement with no proof at all:

Firstly, it was the Americans that declared war on the British. Also the British were already at war with France, so weren't keen for a second front.

But mainly, that war had been coming for decades. Not only was there friction on the Canadian borders and in the West Indies, the Royal Navy Blockade of France was causing friction with US traders and the RN was also in the habit of impressing US sailors.

So to say that the war was started at the orders of one man is beyond belief.
To read that drivel non-critically is bad enough, but to post it on the interweb is pretty much an admission that your tin foil cap has shorted out

Where money is involved as a control mechanism, and it is , then anything goes and I wouldn't put it past anyone to do anything for the mighty $$$... in fact it happens every day in NZ... we call it crime.

double standard much? How do you know it was the Americans that declared war on the British? etc... blah blah blah for the rest of YOUR assertions too.

So to say that the war was started at the orders of one man is beyond belief.

, president of the united states, Hitler, Churchill etc...

To read that drivel non-critically is bad enough, but to post it on the interweb is pretty much an admission that your tin foil cap has shorted out

I have no real comment to that, other than Baaaaaa... yeah, let's go with Baaaaaa. As I mentioned, and have mentioned in several places in regards to the statement quoted

If after over 150 years of the utterances above (and if the statements are true), and there is a family that is "running the world", then we're already affected. After all, we ALL need money to live.

Yet another cyclops I see before me My explanation is by far more believeable than yours is

[Oscar]

Where money is involved as a control mechanism, and it is , then anything goes and I wouldn't put it past anyone to do anything for the mighty $$$... in fact it happens every day in NZ... we call it crime.

I didn't say anything about money. Money = power. That war was about power.

double standard much? How do you know it was the Americans that declared war on the British? etc... blah blah blah for the rest of YOUR assertions too.

Becuase there is documentry proof of it. Have you any proof to back up you (and I use this word loosely) argument?

, president of the united states, Hitler, Churchill etc...

I was speaking of one particular man. And if you were as well read as you were bellicose, you would understand that going to war on the will of one man is actually very rare in history. Generally wars are fought because lots of men lack the will to aviod them.

I have no real comment to that, other than Baaaaaa... yeah, let's go with Baaaaaa. As I mentioned, and have mentioned in several places in regards to the statement quoted



Yet another cyclops I see before me My explanation is by far more believeable than yours is

This idiotic and childish drivel leads me to conclude (as I have on several occasions already), that you are an idiot.

[mashman]

I didn't say anything about money. Money = power. That war was about power.

No you didn't. I did.

Becuase there is documentry proof of it. Have you any proof to back up you (and I use this word loosely) argument?

And you know this for certain because someone wrote it down on a piece

I was speaking of one particular man. And if you were as well read as you were bellicose, you would understand that going to war on the will of one man is actually very rare in history. Generally wars are fought because lots of men lack the will to aviod them.

You are making me laugh, i'll give you that. @ well read et al... baaaaa

This idiotic and childish drivel leads me to conclude (as I have on several occasions already), that you are an idiot.

quick, call a whaaaaaaambulance. You carry on reading your books, I'll stay as a peasant if you and your ilk are the alternative

[ducatilover]

Can drop bears fly planes?