Osama is dead

[george formby]

OBL was fighting to create a medieval Caliphate over the Muslim world. About as far as you can get from freedom. His actions were intended to provoke the West into conflict, bolstering his cause with the collateral damage inflicted on Muslims.

He failed, the Muslim world is in turmoil now because the people want to be like the West not fight it, they really are fighting for freedom, not religion.

On reflection, Hone is getting more like OBL everyday.

[Banditbandit]

Thought we all could have a laugh any way ...

[Banditbandit]

there's your problems right there:

the first is coming from the extreme left; and the second is equating "Armchair revolutionaries" with "actual fighters"

I kinda knew you'd say the first bit ...

I'm not confusing armchair revolutionaries with real fighters .. I'm suggesting that Bin Laden is an armchair revolutionary ...

[Banditbandit]

Sorry all i read was blah blah blah.

we have some courses that might improve your literacy skills ...

[Banditbandit]

OBL was fighting to create a medieval Caliphate over the Muslim world. About as far as you can get from freedom. His actions were intended to provoke the West into conflict, bolstering his cause with the collateral damage inflicted on Muslims.

He failed, the Muslim world is in turmoil now because the people want to be like the West not fight it, they really are fighting for freedom, not religion.

On reflection, Hone is getting more like OBL everyday.

Maybe .. maybe not ... the current mess in the Middle East is interesting as yes, I think they are seeking true freedoms and democracy ...

But for me there is a much more fundamental question .. will the west allow them the freedom to NOT choose a democracy?

[HenryDorsetCase]

It was Syd Jackson (now dead) and his wife who visited Libya

did he get two in the head from a Navy SEAL?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Thought we all could have a laugh any way ...

this is awesome!

[george formby]

Maybe .. maybe not ... the current mess in the Middle East is interesting as yes, I think they are seeking true freedoms and democracy ...

But for me there is a much more fundamental question .. will the west allow them the freedom to NOT choose a democracy?

or, who is organised enough to fill the vacuum of deposed dictators? All the west cares about is sufficient stability to keep the petrol pumps flowing, as history & the regimes of the biggest oil producers show, how this is achieved is irrelevant.

Any hoo, Hone is definitely proving to be polarising which ultimately could be his down fall, their is not a lot of support for the fringe dwellers.

[BoristheBiter]

we have some courses that might improve your literacy skills ...

I doubt it.

[trustme]

Maybe .. maybe not ... the current mess in the Middle East is interesting as yes, I think they are seeking true freedoms and democracy ...

But for me there is a much more fundamental question .. will the west allow them the freedom to NOT choose a democracy?

Ultimately the west has less influence than you might think. OBL & Al Queda had become an irrelevance in the middle east. The peoples quest for a say in how their countries & lives were run has bypassed him. Joe average in Libya or Egypt didn't start to protest because the west told them to. They did it because they were sick of oppressive regimes. OBL was offering more of the same.

[Madmax]

http://www.infowars.com/red-alert-go...zen-for-years/
I posted this in a different thread,I think this should be its home

[Winston001]

.. will the west allow them the freedom to NOT choose a democracy?

Well lets be clear - there are only limited options:

Totalitarianism - essentially the system which rules many countries eg. Zimbabwe, Syria

Theocracy - religious rule eg. Iran

Anarchy - no effective government eg. Somalia

Absolute Monarchy - rule by a King eg. Monaco, Saudi Arabia

[HenryDorsetCase]

Monarchy - rule by a King eg. Monaco, Saudi Arabia

Arent we a monarchy too?

[oldrider]

Arent we a monarchy too?

We prefer a "Claytons" monarchy and we are also very selective about it too!

[Winston001]

Don't be a nitpicker . Yes we are a constitutional monarchy with a Parliament democratically elected. Strictly, we are governed by the Executive Council which is presided over by the Governor-General. As you'll instantly recall from your Constitutional Law lectures

There are lots of variations on the above systems but lets not get pedantic. For example, many of the totalitarian states are nominal democratic republics. However, unlike for example the USA, there is no time limit on the President and furthermore political opposition is ruthlessly suppressed by the government. So noone else gets a chance.