Osama is dead

[Banditbandit]

This is getting way too serious .. just got this in .. the latest pictures of Osama Bin Laden's headstone

[oneofsix]

This is getting way too serious .. just got this in .. the latest pictures of Osama Bin Laden's headstone

What no flowers

[trustme]

Left or right in NZ is the direction the party is trying to take the country in not how the present state compares with other countries. For instance National are chipping away at the National Super by increasing the age of entitlement. Make it high enough and all the workers in physical or lower paid jobs wont live long enough to receive it, thereby removing it as an option for them by stealth.

If we leave things as they are this country will soon be broke. We will no longer be able to make choices, hard decisions will be made on govt spending of all types & they will be made by the foreign banks to which we are indebted. They won't chip at Nat Super, they will massacre it & a great many of the other social benefits we receive from what ever govt happens to be in power when the boom comes down.
It will be a tougher smack in the ear than Rogernomics because there are few state owned assets left to sell.
Some people seemed to have learnt nothing from Rogernomics ,they seem hell bent on charging this country back into insolvency just so their little patch is protected.
Bluntly , if we go broke there will be no money for super so unless you save you will not be retiring. I don't relish that thought.

Rant over , back to OBL

[oneofsix]

If we leave things as they are this country will soon be broke. We will no longer be able to make choices, hard decisions will be made on govt spending of all types & they will be made by the foreign banks to which we are indebted. They won't chip at Nat Super, they will massacre it & a great many of the other social benefits we receive from what ever govt happens to be in power when the boom comes down.
It will be a tougher smack in the ear than Rogernomics because there are few state owned assets left to sell.
Some people seemed to have learnt nothing from Rogernomics ,they seem hell bent on charging this country back into insolvency just so their little patch is protected.
Bluntly , if we go broke there will be no money for super so unless you save you will not be retiring. I don't relish that thought.

Rant over , back to OBL

do you really believe that spin? How about retiring some of the older people and opening up for the next generation? Move from unemployment and crime into employment.

[trustme]

do you really believe that spin? How about retiring some of the older people and opening up for the next generation? Move from unemployment and crime into employment.

That's shuffling deck chairs, still spending ,still going broke.
I really want some govt to come up with a coherent growth policy, then there will be more jobs to go around. There is no easy fix to growth. National has done 5/8's of FA to address the problem. Labour in 9 years did absolutely nothing to grow the business of NZ inc, we went backwards in terms of OECD countries

This rant is really really over

[oneofsix]

That's shuffling deck chairs, still spending ,still going broke.
I really want some govt to come up with a coherent growth policy, then there will be more jobs to go around. There is no easy fix to growth. National has done 5/8's of FA to address the problem. Labour in 9 years did absolutely nothing to grow the business of NZ inc, we went backwards in terms of OECD countries

This rant is really really over

yeah good luck with that. The World Bank don't want NZ to go ahead and the Govt listen to the World Bank. Hence retirement age will go up, unemployment will go up, upskilled work force will increase and growth will be further away than ever. To make the economy grow the Govt has to spend but spend right. Norway, Scotland make money from their oil, where's ours?
And how does Osama being dead help?

[trustme]

Norway, Scotland make money from their oil, where's ours?
And how does Osama being dead help?

Maybe we sold it cos we were broke & needed the money.

Do you think Osama ever read about Mr Micawber in David Copperfield.???

[Banditbandit]

Maybe we sold it cos we were broke & needed the money.

I agree. Now that we have sold the asests we had which could have been used to either save money or make money what the hell do we do?

Do you really think that if we find oil of the East Coast that the Government will keep it for us? Hell no - they'll sell it oerseas as quickly as they can in an effort to get money - a very short-sighted pathway.

[Banditbandit]

What no flowers

Shit .. there's no pleasing some people ... a laugh was all that was needed.

[Smifffy]

I agree. Now that we have sold the asests we had which could have been used to either save money or make money what the hell do we do?

Do you really think that if we find oil of the East Coast that the Government will keep it for us? Hell no - they'll sell it oerseas as quickly as they can in an effort to get money - a very short-sighted pathway.

Isn't is strange how the govt is now falling for the same tactics that they used with great success against the Tangata Whenua a couple of hundred years ago?

What are the chances of getting the Crafar farms, or the converted forestry farms back off the chinese in a treaty settlement in the distant future?

[Banditbandit]

Isn't is strange how the govt is now falling for the same tactics that they used with great success against the Tangata Whenua a couple of hundred years ago?

What are the chances of getting the Crafar farms, or the converted forestry farms back off the chinese in a treaty settlement in the distant future?

Yes. The comparisions betwen the reactions to the sale of land 200 years ago and today are very very evident - and the people who belong here react in identical ways ...

Pity the right can't see it.

[trustme]

I agree. Now that we have sold the asests we had which could have been used to either save money or make money what the hell do we do?

Do you really think that if we find oil of the East Coast that the Government will keep it for us? Hell no - they'll sell it oerseas as quickly as they can in an effort to get money - a very short-sighted pathway.

Should I or shouldn't I , Hmmmmmmm

Ah fuck it, lets chuck the cat another canary

When your broke it is invariably short term fixes that you look for, human nature I guess. We worry about where todays meal is coming from , let next week take care of it's self.
Govt spending to create growth is a crock , Muldoon tried it, net result Rogernomics. The Clark govt grew govt spending from 29 to 39% of GDP while stifling growth with taxes & lovely social nice to haves that are proving to be unsustainable when the inevitable down turn came, not much long term planning there.
Nats could have headed us more towards a commodity based economy [ not necessarily the answer ] but got scared when they realised snails are more important than people.

Long term planning , oh yeah , I'm all for it,. The joy of democracy is it that no one can agree on the plan

Maybe we need an OBL

[mashman]

This is getting way too serious .. just got this in .. the latest pictures of Osama Bin Laden's headstone

, some can't handle the jandle.

[mashman]

That's shuffling deck chairs, still spending ,still going broke.
I really want some govt to come up with a coherent growth policy, then there will be more jobs to go around. There is no easy fix to growth. National has done 5/8's of FA to address the problem. Labour in 9 years did absolutely nothing to grow the business of NZ inc, we went backwards in terms of OECD countries

... why do "you people" always insist on growth being the answer ... are you so precious? Would you die for that ideal? Here's an alternative for ya precious

[BoristheBiter]

... why do "you people" always insist on growth being the answer ... are you so precious? Would you die for that ideal? Here's an alternative for ya precious

NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Not that again.

Where's the beers.