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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasievil View Post
    Im not sure why as its not superior in anyway, infact in comfort and specifications its one of the worst on the market, see the video link above I posted a few days ago.
    Magazine tests are not worth wiping your arse on in my opinion.
    Yeah but the guy you linked is in love (or the pocket of) Knox, he appears to me to have a bias toward their kit in all of his reviews. The review has no scientific basis either, it's just a brief look at the way they fit which doesn't mean shit to how they perform when you hit the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
    Yeah but the guy you linked is in love (or the pocket of) Knox, he appears to me to have a bias toward their kit in all of his reviews. The review has no scientific basis either, it's just a brief look at the way they fit which doesn't mean shit to how they perform when you hit the road.
    Agreed, he does however go over the basic attributes and clearly the KNOX is the winner, the Forcefield is found wanting in many areas, this is clear, so I dont understand how it was favoured so well by MCN, although clearly they have a relationship.
    Worthy to note the MCN "test" was 2008 and most of KNOX new products where not out then, the Forcefield hasnt evolved in 3 years as I see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasievil View Post
    Agreed, he does however go over the basic attributes and clearly the KNOX is the winner, the Forcefield is found wanting in many areas, this is clear, so I dont understand how it was favoured so well by MCN, although clearly they have a relationship.
    Worthy to note the MCN "test" was 2008 and most of KNOX new products where not out then, the Forcefield hasnt evolved in 3 years as I see it.
    Yeah it's a shame the Aegis wasn't around at the time of the testing the MCN did (not that their tests were any kind of real world guarantee).

    I own a Forcefield Pro L2 but do like the Aegis' design I just couldn't find any independent testing to back up the claims that Knox makes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
    I just couldn't find any independent testing to back up the claims that Knox makes.
    What Claim you talking about ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasievil View Post
    What Claim you talking about ?
    That they're the best of course!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
    That they're the best of course!
    Well I have crashed about ummmm 7 times in a KNOX unit (racing) and I havent had a Back injury, so that plus the spec plus the features, I firmly believe they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasievil View Post
    Well I have crashed about ummmm 7 times in a KNOX unit (racing) and I havent had a Back injury, so that plus the spec plus the features, I firmly believe they are.
    interesting.
    and how many times have you crashed in other backprotectors having injuries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urano View Post
    interesting.
    and how many times have you crashed in other backprotectors having injuries?
    Twice in racing crashes, did Ribs and got a bad bruise on another occasion, it was a cheapy tho.

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    good.
    so we obtain that on your experience the knox is exactly as good as all the others you didn't crash in, and all those are better than the cheap one that let you break your ribs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urano View Post
    good.
    so we obtain that on your experience the knox is exactly as good as all the others you didn't crash in, and all those are better than the cheap one that let you break your ribs...
    Read it how you like, I believe the KNOX is the best on the market , if you dont tell me why it isnt and why others and how others are better than it?

    seen as youre being a smart prick about it

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    Knox all the way....crashed test dummy here :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasievil View Post
    Read it how you like, I believe the KNOX is the best on the market , if you dont tell me why it isnt and why others and how others are better than it?
    i don't think it is not at all.
    as i don't think others are better.

    the only thing that i do not believe is the general and statistic value of personal experience on particular cases, especially regarding crashes.

    we cannot ever know the exact conditions of your case, and we cannot ever deduce if the fact that it has worked for you is due to a superior conception or a lucky case.
    it's the same about all that guys saying "i've crashed with an agv helmet and had no scratches at all. they are the best!".

    so, like it or not, the only way to have a "normalized" comparison is to choose a standard testing procedure and go on that way.
    keeping obviously in mind that there is the possibility that your future crash will be not covered by the testing procedure and the protection will not work for you only because it had a good result in tests.

    that said, i have all the respect of your opinion, i'm happy you found something that fits your needs so well and considering your experience, way larger than mine, i'd surely go to take a look at it for my next bp.

    but, if you want my opinion, i never found the "hard surface" more convincing than the soft one...

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    Forcefield armour harnesses energy, slows it down and manipulates it into a lesser force, before it hits your body. This is what all armour should do but independent tests prove this not to be so.
    Nitrex
    This patented technology allows protection evenly across it surface. Most hard shell/plastic protectors will perform differently across its surface. You never know where the impact will strike!

    Perceptions:

    Hard Armour
    As it is hard, it protects, right?

    Wrong! It has very little ability to absorb, or slow down the energy of an impact.
    It is widely used as it is cheap to manufacture and it plays on the perception of ‘because it’s hard it must be doing a good job’. This is just so wrong. It is also sweaty, uncomfortable and can crack, causing further injury in a crash. To back this up you can use a modern day example of a crumple zone on a car, designed to slow the impact energy down. Protecting the people inside the car.

    So, crumple zones/honeycomb type systems are good for body armour? Well, only as far as one impact goes. After the initial impact the protection they afford is greatly reduced as the honeycomb cannot recover to its original shape. We all know that with motorcycle accidents it is never just one impact.

    Repeat Performance
    Multiple impacts are not good for the vast majority of armour on the market. Forcefield armour has been designed to withstand multiple impacts. FORCEFIELD use a special product that they have developed – NITREX. This product can absorb multiple impacts and then return to its original form. It virtually lasts for years.

    Most armour types deteriorate after an impact making it un-usable and ready for the bin – but not Forcefield.

    Our research shows that people do not throw hard armour/honeycomb types away after a crash (as they should); instead they carry on using it - yet now it is not fit for purpose.

    Take it a step further - in a serious high speed crash where multiple strikes take place in the same incident, normal armour is getting weaker, at the time you need it to be strong.
    Forcefield armour is as strong at the end of the crash as it was at the beginning. Giving the wearer the best possible chance of escaping injury.





    Testing Standards:
    CE standards.
    Forcefield pride themselves at passing the CE test at Levels other companies can only dream about. FORCEFIELD Body Armour is subjected to CE type examination testing and certification by SATRA - A European Notified Body (reference number 0321) for personal protective equipment (PPE). We understand a lot of manufacturers claim figures, many of which cannot be substantiated, or proven. Here at Forcefield we are different.
    Approved to EN1621-2:2003 & EN340:2003

    The CE test standards are regarded as the world’s most in-depth and rigorous standards. From day one, FORCEFIELD have guided and in some cases been pivotal in pushing standards further and making sure product in the market place continues to improve. This is something they are extremely proud of, and will continue to work with.


    What is the CE test? In the case of the back protector.....
    A force of 50KJ (about the same force of a house brick dropped from 2 metres) is applied to a back protector, and the transferred energy (e.g. the force that hits your body) is measured.
    The CE level 1 test is passable at equal to or less than 18kn. The Level 2 test, gets harder- and must pass at equal to or less than 9kn.
    Our new Pro Sub 4 Back protector, has smashed the competition by independently passing at 3.38 kn the world best performing back protector! Again Forcefield have pushed the boundaries of protection standards.

    Is all armour CE Tested?
    We know of many sub standard protectors on the market.

    Important-
    If a product is called a guard, pad, or shield, the chances are it has not passed the CE test and cannot lawfully carry the CE mark as a protector. More than likely it will have a CE mark as it passes as a toy! These should not be sold as protection, they do not pass the standards, and do not perform.

    An important point to add is that every single piece of Forcefield armour passes the CE test, it is widely known that in some cases other manufacturers would pass one piece of armour, e.g. the coccyxes in a pair of impact shorts, yet all other armour in the short would be cheap and sub standard. As the garment had one piece of armour passed, it would carry the CE label.

    if you would like to see just how good Forcefield is, go to the following link for a short video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMhgUiSpL5s

    FEATURES:
    • The worlds first Motorcycle back protector to transmit less than 4kn when subjected to the standard CE test
    • Removable & washable outer cover
    • CE Level 2 Protection - Highest Possible
    • RPT (Repeat Performance Technology)
    • Comfortable and non restrictive
    • Flexible
    • Breathable
    • Moulds to body shape
    • Adjustable waist and shoulder straps
    • Multi Sport use


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    Red face Back Protector

    Just got back into riding after a few years of forced lay-off! Bought a Forcefield Back Protector after pretty extensive research. According to all the test reports I've seen they by far absorb more energy than any of the others. I have to say it is extremely comfortable and I'm very pleased with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducatisl View Post
    Forcefield armour harnesses energy, slows it down and manipulates it into a lesser force, before it hits your body. This is what all armour should do but independent tests prove this not to be so.
    Nitrex
    This patented technology allows protection evenly across it surface. Most hard shell/plastic protectors will perform differently across its surface. You never know where the impact will strike!

    Perceptions:

    Hard Armour
    As it is hard, it protects, right?

    Wrong! It has very little ability to absorb, or slow down the energy of an impact.
    It is widely used as it is cheap to manufacture and it plays on the perception of ‘because it’s hard it must be doing a good job’. This is just so wrong. It is also sweaty, uncomfortable and can crack, causing further injury in a crash. To back this up you can use a modern day example of a crumple zone on a car, designed to slow the impact energy down. Protecting the people inside the car.

    So, crumple zones/honeycomb type systems are good for body armour? Well, only as far as one impact goes. After the initial impact the protection they afford is greatly reduced as the honeycomb cannot recover to its original shape. We all know that with motorcycle accidents it is never just one impact.

    Repeat Performance
    Multiple impacts are not good for the vast majority of armour on the market. Forcefield armour has been designed to withstand multiple impacts. FORCEFIELD use a special product that they have developed – NITREX. This product can absorb multiple impacts and then return to its original form. It virtually lasts for years.

    Most armour types deteriorate after an impact making it un-usable and ready for the bin – but not Forcefield.

    Our research shows that people do not throw hard armour/honeycomb types away after a crash (as they should); instead they carry on using it - yet now it is not fit for purpose.

    Take it a step further - in a serious high speed crash where multiple strikes take place in the same incident, normal armour is getting weaker, at the time you need it to be strong.
    Forcefield armour is as strong at the end of the crash as it was at the beginning. Giving the wearer the best possible chance of escaping injury.





    Testing Standards:
    CE standards.
    Forcefield pride themselves at passing the CE test at Levels other companies can only dream about. FORCEFIELD Body Armour is subjected to CE type examination testing and certification by SATRA - A European Notified Body (reference number 0321) for personal protective equipment (PPE). We understand a lot of manufacturers claim figures, many of which cannot be substantiated, or proven. Here at Forcefield we are different.
    Approved to EN1621-2:2003 & EN340:2003

    The CE test standards are regarded as the world’s most in-depth and rigorous standards. From day one, FORCEFIELD have guided and in some cases been pivotal in pushing standards further and making sure product in the market place continues to improve. This is something they are extremely proud of, and will continue to work with.


    What is the CE test? In the case of the back protector.....
    A force of 50KJ (about the same force of a house brick dropped from 2 metres) is applied to a back protector, and the transferred energy (e.g. the force that hits your body) is measured.
    The CE level 1 test is passable at equal to or less than 18kn. The Level 2 test, gets harder- and must pass at equal to or less than 9kn.
    Our new Pro Sub 4 Back protector, has smashed the competition by independently passing at 3.38 kn the world best performing back protector! Again Forcefield have pushed the boundaries of protection standards.

    Is all armour CE Tested?
    We know of many sub standard protectors on the market.

    Important-
    If a product is called a guard, pad, or shield, the chances are it has not passed the CE test and cannot lawfully carry the CE mark as a protector. More than likely it will have a CE mark as it passes as a toy! These should not be sold as protection, they do not pass the standards, and do not perform.

    An important point to add is that every single piece of Forcefield armour passes the CE test, it is widely known that in some cases other manufacturers would pass one piece of armour, e.g. the coccyxes in a pair of impact shorts, yet all other armour in the short would be cheap and sub standard. As the garment had one piece of armour passed, it would carry the CE label.

    if you would like to see just how good Forcefield is, go to the following link for a short video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMhgUiSpL5s

    FEATURES:
    • The worlds first Motorcycle back protector to transmit less than 4kn when subjected to the standard CE test
    • Removable & washable outer cover
    • CE Level 2 Protection - Highest Possible
    • RPT (Repeat Performance Technology)
    • Comfortable and non restrictive
    • Flexible
    • Breathable
    • Moulds to body shape
    • Adjustable waist and shoulder straps
    • Multi Sport use


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    Fuck what a load of copy n pasted force field dribble

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