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[Chancebmx25]

It's even easier to just own a Spada and not have to work on it.

or that. but theres enjoyment in working on something u love.

[imdying]

It's even easier to just own a Spada and not have to work on it.

If super gutless and boring is your thing, sure.

[Ender EnZed]

If super gutless and boring is your thing, sure.

Even a GN125 is faster than a work bench.

[tigertim20]

u wanna get urself ur a two stroke. get the manual to wateva two stroke u own. hit the internet and the user manual learn about ur two stroke, then just ride and enjoy. u crnt go wrong. one of the easiest machines to work on. nothing hard at all.

If super gutless and boring is your thing, sure.

some people prefer to spend most of their time riding, apart from the oil and filter every 5k.
2 strokes are fun, but not for everyone. theyre shit for commuting, as anyone who has used one for that purpose for any length of time will tell you. theyre all good and well for some fun, but theyre not at all an all round bike.

[Chancebmx25]

some people prefer to spend most of their time riding, apart from the oil and filter every 5k.
2 strokes are fun, but not for everyone. theyre shit for commuting, as anyone who has used one for that purpose for any length of time will tell you. theyre all good and well for some fun, but theyre not at all an all round bike.

there a great commuter when you know how to ride them. i commute myn from town most days and easily weave them through traffic. u can sit in first and second gear and weave through traffic no sweat seeing there so light and tight. its just a matter of getting use too. ive ridden two strokes my whole riding life so its what im use too. but as for others yes they can be a pain with clutch control and all, takes time to get use to like everything.

[imdying]

Even a GN125 is faster than a work bench.

Just because you are poor at maintaining motorcycles, that doesn't reflect on the motorcycles themselves. They also commute fine, it's just a waste of a great bike.

If you want to go to sleep, and want people to laugh at all that noise with no go (love the IL4s, baaaaaaaaaaaaaaarp, oh look 20km/hr, yay) then definitely get yourself something gutless like a CBR/ZXR/Spada/GN.

[Ender EnZed]

Just because you are poor at maintaining motorcycles, that doesn't reflect on the motorcycles themselves.

The amount of maintenance required does reflect though.

If you want to go to sleep, and want people to laugh at all that noise with no go (love the IL4s, baaaaaaaaaaaaaaarp, oh look 20km/hr, yay) then definitely get yourself something gutless like a CBR/ZXR/Spada/GN.

None of this is likely to be a problem to a new rider. For anyone else, get a bigger bike. I bet a 250 2t isn't the fastest thing in your garage.

[imdying]

The amount of maintenance required does reflect though.

The amount of maintenance isn't large, but it is regular. That's the thing, they're a high performance enthusiasts bike. If you're just buying a 250 so you can save money on gas, or cause all your mates are doing it, then sure buy a 4 stroke... they're slow, but you can treat them badly. Almost all the old 250s are in bad way now... neglectful owners, the ravages of time, etc etc... but it's only the 2 strokes that you'd bother restoring.

I bet a 250 2t isn't the fastest thing in your garage.

Of course not, not even the second fastest thing. But it's more fun than the all the other bikes. I'd go so far to say that my 40cc air cooled mini moto is more fun than anything else in the garage, and that's a big call given it's stable mates.

[Ender EnZed]

The amount of maintenance isn't large, but it is regular.

I'd call it "more than a 4 stroke".

That's the thing, they're a high performance enthusiasts bike. If you're just buying a 250 so you can save money on gas, or cause all your mates are doing it, then sure buy a 4 stroke... they're slow, but you can treat them badly. Almost all the old 250s are in bad way now... neglectful owners, the ravages of time, etc etc... but it's only the 2 strokes that you'd bother restoring.

Most people, including OP, buy a 250 because that's what they're allowed on their learners. I haven't touched one since the day after I got my full.

Of course not, not even the second fastest thing. But it's more fun than the all the other bikes. I'd go so far to say that my 40cc air cooled mini moto is more fun than anything else in the garage, and that's a big call given it's stable mates.

Unfortunately my garage is made out of plastic that says "Oxford" on it and only fits one bike. (Though a mini moto would fit inside the house...)

[imdying]

I'd call it "more than a 4 stroke".

Just different... I've never had to remove my cams to replace the shims on my 2 stroke, but I've never cleaned the powervalves on my 4 stroke either.

Most people, including OP, buy a 250 because that's what they're allowed on their learners. I haven't touched one since the day after I got my full.

You are missing out then

[MSTRS:Me]

If super gutless and boring is your thing, sure.

Show me a (road legal) 250 that isn't...it's all relative.
A Spada will eat a GSX250, not be embarrassing against a GSXF and will be snapping at the heels of a GSXR.
How many road legal 2T's are still out there?

[imdying]

Show me a (road legal) 250 that isn't...it's all relative.

Only if you consider peak power to be the be all end all... it's all in the delivery. Relative to GSX1300R, yes they're all gutless, but that's no reason why you should be drumming your fingers yawning up to that modest peak.

There will be less and less two strokes on the road as time goes by; emissions laws have killed off new ones, so the supply will always be dwindling. Worse is that the mechanical abilities of the average motorcyclist are going the way of the car driver, it's a loss us for sure. Making it more of a shame is that the mechanical ability required to correctly maintain a two stroke 250 is actually pretty low, but the scaremongering and the state of many of those left makes too many scared to even give it a go. Tragic when you consider that a dozen hand tools and a workshop manual makes doing a top end on one a doddle. Just don't break the golden rule (maintain, not neglect) and you're fine.

[Ender EnZed]

You are missing out then

Probably. But as long as I don't find it too hard to have fun on a bigger 4 stroke I won't complain.