Graham Capell

[Jackrat]

Is this the general view of Mrs Capill? Am I alone in feeling some sympathy for her??
I'm not sure that whatever knowledge or suspicion she might have had about her husband's crimes amounts to complicity. In any case my original comment was about the agonizing dilemma that such women find themselves in. Surely just a little compassion is called for here...

No mike your not alone in feeling that way.
Some people just need to blame somebody before they get around to thinking about it a bit more.
I personaly know three women that have been through this type of thing.
None of them had any idea even though the abuse spaned three generations.
They ALL thought it was only them and were to scared/ashamed to admit or talk about it.When it finaly came out they were ALL totaly shattered and went through the whole range of emotions,begining with denial,support for the abuser,Shame an self loathing,distrust of all men,Thoughts of suicide,ect ect.
Their all still having counciling today.
I also knew the creep who destroyed their lives very well,,,,but not as well as I thought.I've also had to listen to the child victims ask why nobody did anything, because they belived somebody must of known.
capills wife will go through all this an more in the years to come,but in a very public way.
The creep involved in the abuse I know about fooled 20/30 very close friends an family for about 40 years,,,,capills wife had no chance

[Ms Piggy]

Who else gives a shudder of disgust when this creature appears on TV?
TV1 showed old footage of him railing against child abuse when he was leader of the CDP. At the same time he was abusing kids as young as 5.
The shame is that he has protection while on remand. They should really put him amongst the general inmates and run a sweep on how long he lasts. as an ex-pollie and Police prosecutor I'd give him about 5 minutes.

One of the things I find completely outrageous about all Graham Capill's crime is that this was a man who spoke out against homsexuality, he made the claim that it was a well known fact that all paedophiles were homosexuals...I recall saying, at the time I heard him making that particular ridiculous statement, that he was probably a closet homsexual himself and thats why he kept going on about it. Never did I think for a moment he would be guilty of such a heinous crime.

[Ms Piggy]

I don't think this is something we as a community can change... People who have tendancies such as child abuse/child porn and the such know its not a socially accepted fetish (as you all know BDSM is looked upon in a bad way and it's nothing compared to anything child related) so when someone feels those lets say... dirty... feelings it's not like they are going to go to anyone (a friend/pastor/spouse/family member) and say something like "I want to touch children". And when put into a situation where they know they have the oppertunity to do such things... it just happens... their passion/desire/lust (insert appropriate word here) is all they can feel as soon as they know "this is their chance".

The reason I've quoted you PF is that in my personal expereince it wouldn't make a difference sometimes even if the person did tell their Pastor they were struggling.

My own personal experience of the church and issues like porn, paedophilia and sexual deviancy is that they are ill equipped generally to deal with it.

My personal experience was that the person I knew who had major issues in these areas was simply told to pray more, read more scriptures and get prayed for. The person I knew on several occasions confessed his struggles to his Pastor, to the church in a church service and to me. The result was that none of these people (myself included) took his issues seriously enough - they praised him for being "brave" to speak out about his struggles but, it was until years later he finally met some peope that were willing to speak the truth to him and ensure he got the correct help. He ended up attending the STOP programme - a prevention programme for paedophiles and rapists.

My peronal experience was that the church as a whole lived under the incredibly naieve assumption that prayer & scripture solve everything. Another reason I felt compelled to leave and no longer call myself a christian.

Please note: I have said several time this was my personal expereince, however this experience was over a period of around 4 years and within 2 or 3 different churches & a bible college in NZ.

Oh yeah and if you'd like to discuss it further PM me.

[Ms Piggy]

"Consensual" sex with an eight-year-old. I mean, really. Talk about delusional. The man is a head case. And his wife knew about it too. You think she'd worry about her own kids. No happy endings here, I fear.

I heard from a reliable source that 1 of the victims was his own daughter. Not stated for her own protection.

[crashe]

I heard from a reliable source that 1 of the victims was his own daughter. Not stated for her own protection.

ummmmmm out of the three victim's - one was a close relative.... but not a daughter.... unless victim two or three was a daughter.
This again was never stated for her own protection....
This person told a church member and they blew the whistle on him.

[Hitcher]

I heard from a reliable source that 1 of the victims was his own daughter. Not stated for her own protection.

One could reasonably deduce, on the basis of evidence presented in Court, that all three were his daughters.

[NC]

No mike your not alone in feeling that way.
Some people just need to blame somebody before they get around to thinking about it a bit more.

Right, so you know what every person has gone through?

[Ms Piggy]

One could reasonably deduce, on the basis of evidence presented in Court, that all three were his daughters.

Hmmmmm...ok, yuk!

[NC]

I heard from a reliable source that 1 of the victims was his own daughter. Not stated for her own protection.

Ok, so SHE KNEW that her husband was sexually abusing THEIR daughter and she still didn't say anything. LOCK HER UP!
I have no pitty for the bitch, why the hell should I? Are you people not understanding that she was letting her husband do this?

[SixPackBack]

She's a weak women......if my wife thought for one moment that i was interfering with my daughter or any other child i would wake up with my dick sitting on the side dresser.....and rightly so!

[Skyryder]

Ok, so SHE KNEW that her husband was sexually abusing THEIR daughter and she still didn't say anything. LOCK HER UP!
I have no pitty for the bitch, why the hell should I? Are you people not understanding that she was letting her husband do this?

On the understanding that the mother was 'aware' of what her husband was doing, I would go so far as to say that she was 'aiding and abetting' her husband's abuse.

Once I may have had some sympathy for the woman but I have found that as one gets older synmpathy and compassion become more difficult to reconcile with wilfull acts...........of any kind. Acts of incest even more so.

That this woman may, and I stress may, have had knowledge of this within her own family suggests to me someone who has little faith in the religion they profess to practice.


Skyryder

[Paul in NZ]

One could reasonably deduce, on the basis of evidence presented in Court, that all three were his daughters.

Please just say this is not so...

I cannot concieve of the evil that must be inside a person to do such a thing, not just once but 3 times. These poor children, already twisted by right wing 'christian' (don't worry Zed there is NOTHING Christ like about this person) parent just so he can do this....

Reason be damned... Pass out the pitchforks and burning oil....

I think any of you out there that are the responsible fathers of daughters would feel what I'm feeling. Mr Capil, I'm a reasonable man but I have my limits - this is beyond the pale.... You have diminished us all you coward...

Do not expect forgiveness on this earth!

God I feel like I need a shower... Bastard... His own daughters? All 3?

[NC]

I was giving an alternate opinion based on my own expereince,an the expereince of people very close to me.
I didn't at any stage say I knew what every person has been through.

Telling me to "FUCK OFF CUNT" is not very appropriate, considering you stated that people look for someone to blame. That’s a crock of shit, mate.

[James Deuce]

He'll probably be booked in for a colostomy on Wednesday, and then he'll get protective custody for the rest of his term.

[pete376403]

Please just say this is not so...

I cannot concieve of the evil that must be inside a person to do such a thing, not just once but 3 times. These poor children, already twisted by right wing 'christian' (don't worry Zed there is NOTHING Christ like about this person) parent just so he can do this....

Reason be damned... Pass out the pitchforks and burning oil....

I think any of you out there that are the responsible fathers of daughters would feel what I'm feeling. Mr Capil, I'm a reasonable man but I have my limits - this is beyond the pale.... You have diminished us all you coward...

Do not expect forgiveness on this earth!

God I feel like I need a shower... Bastard... His own daughters? All 3?

I knew a guy who was convicted and jailed for sexually abusing his daughter. It had been going on for a number of years and his wife didn't know anything about it. It came to light after the daughter became more and more uncontrollable. He did jail time, the wife divorced and got custody of the kids.
I've never seen him since but another friend said he (the pedo) turned up at his work after being released, full of cheer and bonhomie, couldn't understand why my friend no longer wanted to associate with him. They live in an alternate universe, I'm sure.