Graham Capell

[Paul in NZ]

I knew a guy who was convicted and jailed for sexually abusing his daughter. It had been going on for a number of years and his wife didn't know anything about it. It came to light after the daughter became more and more uncontrollable. He did jail time, the wife divorced and got custody of the kids.
I've never seen him since but another friend said he (the pedo) turned up at his work after being released, full of cheer and bonhomie, couldn't understand why my friend no longer wanted to associate with him. They live in an alternate universe, I'm sure.

Must be true...

It's funny (in a perculiar way, NOT a funny Ha Ha way). I think most of us can sense the possibility of attraction in many things we would never actually consider doing ourselves (like bungy jumping or anal sex)...

But this.... I don't know if it is social conditioning or what but to compound the horror of having sex whith children with Incest is almost too much to handle...

Someone once told me rape was not about sex but more about power. (ie over the victim). So could some clever person tell me what this is about? I just don't get this at all! I mean REALLY don't get it. I understand a bears desire to stand in a frozen river and eat salmon more than I get this...

Surely by knowing the why... We can see the signs in others???

I dunno...

Paul N

[skidz]

All those sort of pricks need stringing up by thier balls and left to die.
We don't want that sort of low life in this world.
Or put them on an island where they can be used for target training by the armed forces.

[crashe]

Someone once told me rape was not about sex but more about power. (ie over the victim). So could some clever person tell me what this is about? I just don't get this at all! I mean REALLY don't get it. I understand a bears desire to stand in a frozen river and eat salmon more than I get this...
Surely by knowing the why... We can see the signs in others???

Ok the way I understand it is like this. Others may have a different point of view about it to me... this is just my opinion on it.

Basically the men who do this are in reality very weak shallow men.

By raping and abusing young children or even adults they think in their minds that they are stronger and that they have POWER to stand over someone else.

All it shows is that they really are weak and shallow people.

In their mind, is where they believe they hold the power over someone else.

This power is in fact violence.... The abuse is violent.

They have the physical strength to hold someone down and abuse them.

But its the mind games that they play on their victim's.
The threatening to kill them if they tell anyone.
Thats where the power in the mind comes into play.

But eventually the victim will stand stong and will blow the whistle.
It doesn't matter how long it takes.... but so long as the victim can stand up and say something, then that stops this scum of the earth to stop him in his tracks.

What we must all do, is when someone (child or adult) tells us they have been abused, we MUST believe them and get them help.
Do NOT send them away.... The victim's need the most help.

The offender needs prison time forever.
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I would like to say to any one on KB that is reading this particular thread, that have been sexually or phsyically abused in anyway.
I truely hope that this is not bringing up old horrible memories for you.

[Paul in NZ]

I would like to say to any one on KB that is reading this particular thread, that have been sexually or phsyically abused in anyway.
I truely hope that this is not bringing up old horrible memories for you.

Yes - Very good point and I appologise for going on and on about it... I'm just trying to understand what would motovate someone to do such a thing...

I have a fascination for motivations, ie why do some people prefer a cruiser and some people a sports bike etc etc.

This just blows my mind though. Perhaps some of the thoughts expressed here are correct, we should just weed these folks out of the gene pool but - in this case too late..... Dunno. Horrible though - just horrible.

[crashe]

I have a fascination for motivations, ie why do some people prefer a cruiser and some people a sports bike etc etc.

Off Topic - I saw "Easy Rider" movie and that was it for me...
Thats why I love cruiser's over sports bikes. Always will love the cruisers.

Ok and now back to the topic.

[ManDownUnder]

Basically the men who do this are in reality very weak shallow men.

YUP!

By raping and abusing young children or even adults they think in their minds that they are stronger and that they have POWER to stand over someone else.

Agreed - although I think this is as likely to be a subconscious thing rather than actively thinking they have power.

Manifesting itself as feeling good having "showed her" or "She got what she deserves". They don't know they have a problem though - to them it's a case of acting on what makes them feel good, in their mind they have the "entitlement" or "authority" to "show others".

So they do.

All it shows is that they really are weak and shallow people.

I COULD NOT AGREE MORE!

This power is in fact violence.... The abuse is violent.

They have the physical strength to hold someone down and abuse them.

But its the mind games that they play on their victim's.
The threatening to kill them if they tell anyone.
Thats where the power in the mind comes into play.

Yes - power has a number of sources. From an academic standpoint it can come from:

Reward power: control over valued resources.
Coercive power: ability to inflict punishment, possibly physical.
Expert power: superior knowledge.
Legitimate power: formal rank or position.
Referent power: when people want to be like you.
see http://changingminds.org/explanation...ries/power.htm

Power is a situational thing - some the various forms listed above will work in "seducing little girls", others are required to "shut them up about it"

What is needed is another source of power to help these people recognise what's going on (someone they respect pointing out they're WRONG) and have them get help - in a timely manner.

But eventually the victim will stand stong and will blow the whistle.

It doesn't matter how long it takes.... but so long as the victim can stand up and say something, then that stops this scum of the earth to stop him in his tracks.

What we must all do, is when someone (child or adult) tells us they have been abused, we MUST believe them and get them help.
Do NOT send them away.... The victim's need the most help.

... and therein lies the power I mentioned - unfortunately this comes after the offending though. I wish there was some way of reliably intervening before it gets to that point.

The offender needs prison time forever.

Sorry - have to disagree with you on that one. If there is no hope of reabilitation then I agree... they're best out of society. If they can be rehabilitated then I would argue they deserve to be punished, helped and let out. I would also say watch them - and let them know they're being watched.

For me the big question of this behaviour is WHY are they doing it? If we can find that out we can more adequately prescribe future and corrective actions.
MDU - rave over... sorry - but this really is a big issue with me.

[Paul in NZ]

For me the big question of this behaviour is WHY are they doing it? If we can find that out we can more adequately prescribe future and corrective actions.
MDU - rave over... sorry - but this really is a big issue with me.

Dude - best post thus far!

Thanks

[mikey]

The guy that bashed him outside the courtroom should get a medal.

fucking oath mate. an they want to lock him up (if they havnt already?)

hope they get put in the same cell so boxer guyy can use him as his punching bag all day long

that was one wicked pre meditated attack, love the video footage that newsboy seems to keep playing.

[MSTRS:Me]

If there is no hope of reabilitation then I agree... they're best out of society. If they can be rehabilitated then I would argue they deserve to be punished, helped and let out. I would also say watch them - and let them know they're being watched.

For me the big question of this behaviour is WHY are they doing it? If we can find that out we can more adequately prescribe future and corrective actions.
MDU - rave over... sorry - but this really is a big issue with me.

These sickos are 'wired' differently to the rest of us, so how can they be 'rehabilitated'? I mean, most of us are attracted to adult members of the opposite sex, and some are attracted to adult same-sex. Fine. No problem. BUT could any of us be 'rehabilitated' to reverse our preference? No very successfully if at all, I'd say. We also tend to prefer a single partner for life. Whereas a paedofile must keep moving to the next one as they grow beyond the age group that holds the attraction. If society hasn't the balls to put these predators down, they should at least have all their 'bits' removed.

[SixPackBack]

Is this thread never going to die......he's a complete bastard, we don't understand him we would be happy to see him buggered to death in jail.....lets move on [ sorry but i hate seeing you guys arguing over this cunt]

[Hitcher]

Pick on the "sickos" if it makes you feel better, but the problem won't go away until society (that us folks) changes. New Zealanders have a problem with child abuse and domestic violence generally -- it's a bit like our love of rugby in that it defines us as a nation. How heartachingly sad is that?

Without condoning their actions, Mr Capill and others of his ilk have just taken this to another level. They probably watched their dads do it to their sisters, who probably learned it from their fathers. Our kids and grandkids deserve better. It starts with us.

[ManDownUnder]

Pick on the "sickos" if it makes you feel better, but the problem won't go away until society (that us folks) changes. New Zealanders have a problem with child abuse and domestic violence generally -- it's a bit like our love of rugby in that it defines us as a nation. How heartachingly sad is that?

Without condoning their actions, Mr Capill and others of his ilk have just taken this to another level. They probably watched their dads do it to their sisters, who probably learned it from their fathers. Our kids and grandkids deserve better. It starts with us.

Exactly right. What if their behaviour is normal (in their mind) yet abhorrant to society? Why should they change? They feel society is simply out of step with them.

It's an egocentric view of the world... but if you think about it - that's exactly the view all of us have (egocentric that is).

I'm NOT saying let them get away with it - I AM saying tackle the problem, not just the criminals. Watching Dr Surfchick's film on Northern Ireland there was a comment in there that caught my ear. The problem has been going on so long it now spans generations. Some people have known nothing else - for them the problem has always been there. The only sure way to stop those passing it on is to find them all, and lock them up for life. That way society gets a fresh start.

This might mean the best solution IS to lock up Graham Capill and other paedophiles for life. It might not be. I don't know and that's a big call to make.

What if the problem comes from Capill's Dad who abused him (I am not incriminating him in any way - this is PURELY a "what if"). If Graham has any brothers or sisters that were similarly abused and subsequently will be more likely to have similar trendencies.

Do we lock them all up too? Or do we wait to see if they offend, and THEN lock them up (i.e. do we sacrifice the liberty of a possible criminal, or the rights of the future victim first).

In the absence of a crystal ball - I say we have to put the liberty and rights of the possible crim first...

... which nicely leads right around to... REHABILITATION. Let's put the rights of the crim first, not cover them with generalised opinions on locking them all up, they're not human, they can't be helped. Let's see if/how we can help and do that instead.

Ever wondered if Graham Capill has contributed to society in any way? I expect he has... maybe he can do that again...

MDU

[KATWYN]

She's a weak women......if my wife thought for one moment that i was interfering with my daughter or any other child i would wake up with my dick sitting on the side dresser.....and rightly so!

[KATWYN]

Surely by knowing the why... We can see the signs in others???



Paul N

I read a book once about getting into the filthy mind of a pedophile - there
were interveiws given to these creatures while they were doin time.

One of these creatures said that the drive to do it was so strong that if
they were met with a choice 1/ to go to a torturous burning hell for what
they are about to do or 2/ to not touch the child - the answer was not even an option, they would make a choice to go to a buring hell to touch that child.

Reading this as a quote from a pedo really gave me an insight into what the
authorities and rehabilitation services are up against. I mean that
is just pure evil - to lack self control to that degree on a beautiful innocent
little person.

[Lias]

Someone once told me rape was not about sex but more about power. (ie over the victim). So could some clever person tell me what this is about?

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