Graham Capell

[SixPackBack]

Christian beliefs do state that sex is natural but that God originally made one woman for the man Adam and for them to remain in a marriage union for their whole lifetime together on earth. This was the model God intended mankind to follow, and many good men and women have been able to throughout history. I'm sure there will be some KBer's that will have this testimony.

The part about being a priest and not having sex is something the religious cults have concocted and practise, they are the ones who are turning the natural into perverse! The Christian Handbook is very clear that a priest/minister can have one wife with whom a sexual relationship should be practised to fulfil that natural purpose & desire.

Abusing of a 5 year old, let alone any human being, is actually unnatural and perverse and utterly condemned by God in the Christian Bible.

So part of the problem doesn't lie with Christian beliefs at all, more a misunderstanding and perversion of those beliefs!

That sounds reasonable zed......not a christian but married for two life sentences! ......i only ever have one bike, feels unnatural to cheat!

[Jackrat]

I suspect Mr Capill will be receiving some 'extra attention' during his stay in the big house.

Oh yeah.he'll be eating some interesting food for sure.
Some of them kitchen guys are sick.

[scumdog]

THAT SLAP BROKE CAPELS JAW , GOOD JOB TOO, I HEARD THE GUY WHO PUNCHED HIM IS A ROGUE BUT I STILL WANT TO SEND HIM A CARTON OF SMOKES

Not knocking you WINJA and not sticking up for Capell but in my sarcastic way I think (about the punch) "boy, that reaaly showed him, I bet he never touches another little girl - yeah right!!" - I mean WHAT did that punch achieve???

And how do we KNOW that the loser that punched Capell was any better?
I know he was in his eyes but that's how a lot of crims think - "what he did was worse than what I did".

[WINJA]

Not knocking you WINJA and not sticking up for Capell but in my sarcastic way I think (about the punch) "boy, that reaaly showed him, I bet he never touches another little girl - yeah right!!" - I mean WHAT did that punch achieve???

And how do we KNOW that the loser that punched Capell was any better?
I know he was in his eyes but that's how a lot of crims think - "what he did was worse than what I did".

I DID SAY THE PUNCHER WAS A ROGUE, AND IT MADE SOME OF US FEEL BETTER
EVEN IF IT WASNT HELPFULL IT DIDNT HURT THE SITUATION EITHER.

[Jackrat]

He is a complete embarrassment to the cause of Christ and Christianity, and I and my local church (we have been discussing him for some weeks now) are totally ashamed of him! His deceit and perverted actions bring reproach upon the name of Jesus Christ and I would not want to be in his shoes when he faces his Maker.

Unfortunately this type of gross sin is a major hindrance to the main purpose of the Christian Church, which is bringing people to Jesus Christ and not turning them away! This loser is not a representative of the truth but rather a deceiver.

If any of you good people use this man's poor example to justify your rejection of Christianity, you are making a big mistake. The only person who is fit to exemplify is Jesus Christ himself, and there's no fault in Him!

Personaly I don't see him as being in anyway representitive of christians or churches in general.He and others like him are a perversion of nature.
As you know I don't belive in religion, but it would take a pretty shallow person to judge christians or the church based on this guy.

[MikeL]

Abusing of a 5 year old, let alone any human being, is actually unnatural and perverse and utterly condemned by God in the Christian Bible.

Leaving aside the definition of what is "natural" or "perverse" (we've already covered that elsewhere, I think!), I would be interested to know where in the Bible there is a specific reference to under-age sex.

Clearly abuse of a 5 year old or any pre-pubescent girl is morally wrong and absolutely abhorrent, regardless of what the Bible may or may not state. I'm not so sure you can find (literal) Biblical support for condemnation of sexual relationships with girls aged 12, 13, 14... ages well below what we now consider the age of consent (and therefore condemned as abuse); in the ancient world marriage at 12 or 13 was common... betrothals at 6 or 7 (or even earlier) were not unknown, with marriage and consummation occurring as soon as the girl entered puberty... Such arrangements would not be acceptable nowadays, but I am not aware of any scriptural condemnation of them...

[Zed]

I would be interested to know where in the Bible there is a specific reference to under-age sex.

Remembering that in the Bible sex outside of marriage is called fornication, If I had to give specific references against under-age sex I would first point to Genesis 2:24 where a person is told to "leave his father and his mother" and join to his/her spouse, then I would refer to 1 Corinthians 7:36 where a qualification for marriage is the "passing of the flower" (puberty) of his/her age.

Specific references to the letter are not needed when you have the spirit of the book btw! (2 Corinthians 3:6)

[spudchucka]

BUT YOU KNOW SOME OF CAPELS MATES WILL BUY HIM SOAP ON A ROPE , I CANT BELIEVE HE STILL HAS FRIENDS

Rope, prison cell, child abuser.......... could still have a happy ending.

[Paul in NZ]

Leaving aside the definition of what is "natural" or "perverse" (we've already covered that elsewhere, I think!), I would be interested to know where in the Bible there is a specific reference to under-age sex.

Clearly abuse of a 5 year old or any pre-pubescent girl is morally wrong and absolutely abhorrent, regardless of what the Bible may or may not state. I'm not so sure you can find (literal) Biblical support for condemnation of sexual relationships with girls aged 12, 13, 14... ages well below what we now consider the age of consent (and therefore condemned as abuse); in the ancient world marriage at 12 or 13 was common... betrothals at 6 or 7 (or even earlier) were not unknown, with marriage and consummation occurring as soon as the girl entered puberty... Such arrangements would not be acceptable nowadays, but I am not aware of any scriptural condemnation of them...

In general, I doubt it is useful to draw comparisons to what happened in the 'good old days' (and indeed still happens now in some parts of the world) because the world was a less certain and much more lawless place in those days. These arrangements were often made to establish ties between families (or countries) for the greater good of all.

What we are talking about are people that victimise children sexually.

Why these men (usually men) do this is not a subject I know a lot about or am even comfortable researching. What I do know is the whole 'burn them all' reaction does not really work.

My own feeling is that this is one area that our social services have been rather ineffective about and that there is a huge amount of this still going on out there. Part of the problem may be that mens roles/responsibilities have changed over the years which leaves a lot of people confused and 'lost'.

Ironically, I think it is the (usually) religious right wing that suppresses any discussion on alternate sexuality etc and thus it is just so delicious when someone from that end of the spectrum gets stuck in his own tar pit!

The danger of adopting violent response to this is pushing it deeper underground. When it gets to the stage where you may as well murdur the victims because the penalties are the same... Not good really!

No way am I defending what this man has done. Far from it.

I am suggesting that those of us baying for blood ought to remember that this was Mr Capills soap box before he got caught out....

[Lou Girardin]

1 KILLING ANOTHER HUMAN CAN SOMETIMES BE JUSTIFIED 2 TOUCHING LITTLE GIRLS CAN NEVER BE JUSTIFIED AND IF SOMEONE THINKS IT CAN BE REFER BACK TO 1.
IN SOME CASES THE EMOTIONAL TRAUMA CANT BE EASED , SOME GIRLS COMMIT SUICDE I DONT CALL THAT EASED.
BEST THING IS SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE AND MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF CAPEL.

1/ You need to differentiate between legal killing and what you originally said, "murder".
2/ "Some cases" yes true. But, EVERYONE who is killed is dead.

[Lou Girardin]

Remembering that in the Bible sex outside of marriage is called fornication, If I had to give specific references against under-age sex I would first point to Genesis 2:24 where a person is told to "leave his father and his mother" and join to his/her spouse, then I would refer to 1 Corinthians 7:36 where a qualification for marriage is the "passing of the flower" (puberty) of his/her age.

Specific references to the letter are not needed when you have the spirit of the book btw! (2 Corinthians 3:6)

None of this states an age of consent.

[WINJA]

1/ You need to differentiate between legal killing and what you originally said, "murder".
2/ "Some cases" yes true. But, EVERYONE who is killed is dead.

IF SOME ONE KILLED A DUDE AFTER THAT DUDE JUST MOLESTED HIS CHILD AND IM ON THAT JURY , I WOULD HAVE TO SAY NOT GUILTY , LEGAL OR ILEGAL ITS STILL JUSTIFIED TO KILL A CHILD MOLESTOR

[WINJA]

DO SOME WORK LOU

[Zed]

None of this states an age of consent.

You missed it Lou. In the Bible it's whatever age after puberty that a man or woman leaves their parents and joins to their spouse in marriage. Therefore the age of consent is not fixed, but certainly 5 year old children do not qualify!

[ManDownUnder]

Personaly I don't see him as being in anyway representitive of christians or churches in general.He and others like him are a perversion of nature.
As you know I don't belive in religion, but it would take a pretty shallow person to judge christians or the church based on this guy.

What that man said - exactly. I think anyone would be a fool to form an opinion of millions of people based on the actions of one or two.

Do we form bad opinions of all teachers, or scout leaders or others if they do it? No. But religious affiliation gets targetted because it is the aspect of someone's life/character that adds "hypocracy" to the equation.

As if molesting children isn't bad enough...!

MDU