Graham Capell

[vifferman]

Oh drat, I was hoping for some juicy insight into your previous life!

Wouldn't be particularly juicy, I'm afraid.
Although I've had a varied life (apart from the mind-wreckingly boringness of the last few years...)
"Juicy insight".... just looked that up in my phrase-o-saurus, and he said "Ba-a-a-a-a-ah!!" No wait - that was the sheeposaurus.
The Phrase-O-Saurus (his stature is growing, you'll note) said that "juicy insight" is tantamount to gossip. Ooer...

Thankyou, PHRASE-O-SAURUS.

[Zed]

everyone sins (I'm sure even Zed does)

Let's not go there shall we Placid.

"For all have sinned"...but not in the way Capell has!

[placidfemme]

"For all have sinned"

Which is what I said...

Not very hard to step on people toes eh

[Zed]

Not very hard to step on people toes eh

Especially when you use their name as the example!

[ajturbo]

BLAH BLAH JESUS , BLAH BLAH JUSTICE WHERES THE LITTLE GIRLS AT, TO ME THAT SOMES UP HIS LIFE AND I REALLY HATE TO SEE HOW HIS WIFE AND FAMILY SUPPORT HIM AND BELIEVE HE IS STILL A GOOD MAN, THIS FUCKER SHOULD BE TOTURED THEN KILLED AND IM NOT JOKING , IT MAKES ME SICK I WANT TO VOMIT WHEN I SEE HIM .
WHAT HES DONE IS JUST AS BAD AS MURDER, INFACT MAYBE WORSE THAN MURDER AS I CAN UNDERSTAND MURDER AND SOMETIMES THINK ITS OK BUT WHAT CAPEL DID IS NEVER OK AND NOT UNDERSTANDABLE , IF YOU DONT THINK ITS SERIOUS WHAT HE DID YOU HAVE TO MEET THE VICTIMS OF THIS TYPE OF CRIME LIKE I HAVE .

i have meet a LOT of women in that boat, i cannot understand how a grown man can do those sorts of things to a ( what is basicaly a baby girl) girl, and look at themselves in the mirror...

they tend to think the every man well hurt them and it is hard to have a loving relationship with them.....

[Lou Girardin]

BLAH BLAH JESUS , BLAH BLAH JUSTICE WHERES THE LITTLE GIRLS AT, TO ME THAT SOMES UP HIS LIFE AND I REALLY HATE TO SEE HOW HIS WIFE AND FAMILY SUPPORT HIM AND BELIEVE HE IS STILL A GOOD MAN, THIS FUCKER SHOULD BE TOTURED THEN KILLED AND IM NOT JOKING , IT MAKES ME SICK I WANT TO VOMIT WHEN I SEE HIM .
WHAT HES DONE IS JUST AS BAD AS MURDER, INFACT MAYBE WORSE THAN MURDER AS I CAN UNDERSTAND MURDER AND SOMETIMES THINK ITS OK BUT WHAT CAPEL DID IS NEVER OK AND NOT UNDERSTANDABLE , IF YOU DONT THINK ITS SERIOUS WHAT HE DID YOU HAVE TO MEET THE VICTIMS OF THIS TYPE OF CRIME LIKE I HAVE .

Emotional trauma can be eased. Killing can't be reversed. Thta's why it's the ultimate offence against humanity.

[placidfemme]

get over it dude, it wasn't meant like that and you know it... lets not make a mountain out of a mole hill...

[Lou Girardin]

I’m honestly not sure what to think about this.

The easy thing is to hurl abuse and feel all smug that one of the bible thumpers is exposed as having feet of clay etc etc. And lets face it, it’s a nasty, horrible thing he did!

The hard question is why did he do it? And, having done it, does that mean everything he did or said is actually wrong? Did he become a minister / leader to prey on these kids of did the position of trust merely sparking something latent?

It’s when I start asking these questions that I start getting ‘uncomfortable’.

Bad people are not 100% evil and good people are not 100% good all the time either.

Not saying he does not deserve this… He does! But it’s just too easy to gloat at someone that’s worse than we are while ignoring our own faults and vices.

Maybe we should not be so smug, maybe we should strive to be better people because of this sort of thing occurring in society. Lifting our own game would be an apt response, I certainly know I’m far from perfect and at times (usually unintentionally) I come across as a real bastard. I think I better work on that!

Cheers

I, for one, couldn't give a fat rats arse about why he did it. He's a predator of the defenceless and vulnerable.

[Motu]

Any sociology student fancy doing a thesis on the correlation between "evangelistic hair" and deviancy?

Sai Baba had ''hair'' too...very definatly a trend.Can perverts be bald....this is a need to know please.

[vifferman]

Sai Baba had ''hair'' too...very definatly a trend.Can perverts be bald....this is a need to know please.

Lesseeee....
I'm bald, and a pervert, so there you go. That's 100% so far

[ManDownUnder]

But luckily, Zed (though a sinner) displays ALL the Christian virtues, and is very patient, charitable, forgiving, and not at all judgemental.

Rant Warning...

I have a rule I live by - and that is this...

When I am perfect, I'll be in a position to criticise. (Don't hold yer breath)

It's fine to point out shortcomings in others if there is an intent to help them improve. If the goal is to bring 'em down then it's not so good... nothing gets resolved and it's not exactly a productive use of time (and viffer - not targetting you dude - you're is just the quote I linked onto as part of the thread)

I've met Zed a couple of times - he's a good dude... and while I don't expect him to be perfect, I don't focus on his shortcomings (just as I'm not perfect... just don;t focus on my shortcomings...)

(Zed - again - not targetting anyone here).

Slanging matches are a great way to make enemies for no good reason. I thought the topic under consideration here is Graham Capill, not the beliefs, actions or standards (actual vs target) attained by anyone during the course of their personal lives.

He did bad, I think he needs help as do his victims, and I'd love to know why he did it. We can help Mr Capill, his victims, and hopefully prevent this situation happening again at the hands of anyone so inclined.

RANT OVER
...back to my email...
MDU

[ManDownUnder]

i have meet a LOT of women in that boat, i cannot understand how a grown man can do those sorts of things to a ( what is basicaly a baby girl) girl, and look at themselves in the mirror...

they tend to think the every man well hurt them and it is hard to have a loving relationship with them.....

Yup - and it's a big loss for all concerned...

[placidfemme]

Zed being the big man that he is gave me bad feed back for my post... how's that for forgiving? And not Judging? He jumped to the defense over nothing and Vifferman was making a point not taking the piss...

you can't please everyone all the time

[vifferman]

Zed being the big man that he is gave me bad feed back for my post... how's that for forgiving? And not Judging? He jumped to the defense over nothing and Vifferman was making a point not taking the piss...

you can't please everyone all the time

Dang!
I was expecting some negative rep myself. Obviously I was being too subtle, or obscure, or summat....

[MikeL]

At the risk of reviving the dreaded Scottish thread, the focus of this thread needs to be brought back to the key point, which is the connexion between Mr Capill's public religious and moral position and pronouncements, and his private behaviour. There are no doubt some who would argue that the former is coincidental to and entirely disconnected from the latter. What arguments can be put forward to support this view?

Answers in the form of an academic essay, with full referencing and bibliography, please...