Ride the loop for MSAC as part of our first major project

[Katman]

That's really great, and my point is that you could do all of that, and more, but the next couple of years worth of squids coming through could still have your rego fee increasing unreasonably. Is that fair?

So we've got two options......

a) Continue crying that life's not fair or.......

b) Go squid hunting.

[bogan]

So we've got two options......

a) Continue crying that life's not fair or.......

b) Go squid hunting.

b) is not really necessary, they aren't long lived creatures

Your choice of words perhaps highlights the issue, it must be less about forcing your ideals on others, and more about encouraging others to see the dangers of their current approach, and the benefits of a little more awareness, skill, and restraint. Get down to the nuts and bolts stuff, line selection, entry vs exit speeds, visual scanning techniques. Too many safety campaigns start with thought inhibiting generalisations (speed kills etc), instead encourage thought, self reflection, and therefore responsibility. Unfortunately, the way the McSAC is going, they will be much more likely to come out with something stupid like wear high vis or else you will have an accident

[Smifffy]

As I said earlier, I think we've done our dough. What I object to is people telling me to improve my riding and the fees will come down. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WILL EVER HAPPEN.

I acknowledge there's a problem and I don't think the McSAC is the solution, particularly the way they go about it.

So we've got two options......

a) Continue crying that life's not fair or.......

b) Go squid hunting.

[Katman]

10% of all reported road accidents. I'd also posit that a detailed look at the statistics would also offer up more clues as to why this might be, rather than the politically advantageous reliance on correlating simple summary figures from mutually exclusive data sets.

The problem is that the statistics are not being used or analysed with a view to improving the process, they are simply being used to justify a pre-determined measure.

Surely of this 10% there must be more common factors than simply all of them involved motorcycles?

How about, instead of bitching and moaning how unfair life is and how mean and nasty Nick Smith is, we address the issue of why such a large percentage of motorcycle accidents fall into the 'lost control on a corner' category.

[Katman]

As I said earlier, I think we've done our dough. What I object to is people telling me to improve my riding and the fees will come down. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WILL EVER HAPPEN.

I acknowledge there's a problem and I don't think the McSAC is the solution, particularly the way they go about it.

Who cares if the fees don't come down?

If we collectively improve our riding and in so doing we save some lives, that should be reward enough.

(And it may help to avoid the fees going up again).

[StoneY]

How about, instead of bitching and moaning how unfair life is and how mean and nasty Nick Smith is, we address the issue of why such a large percentage of motorcycle accidents fall into the 'lost control on a corner' category.

Exactly what percentage Steve?
You're another one who eludes to knowing/understanding the numbers but show me your source...because there is NO reliable source on the numbers, its simple as that

Ask Charles Lamb, the data entry is as suspect as it gets. 2009 - 50 deaths - 7 of the entries were full of errors.

Actual real example of one of the errors:
2,500cc zzr Kawasaki's being entered as 'speeding' and 'at fault' when the 250cc Volvo 320 drove backwards over the motorbike as it (the Volvo) was backing out of its driveway.

Despite the driver of the 250cc Volvo being in reverse and hitting the motorcycle in the left side mid chassis while exiting the driveway backwards, the data entry clerk managed to ensure the information was entered with absolute accuracy....

After all, there is no way that bike was not speeding... they all do!
The driver surely would have seen any motorcycle traveling within the speed limit as he reversed down his driveway fast enough to totally run that 2500cc Kawasaki ZZR over, and kill the rider in the process....
But of course that 2500cc Kawasaki ZZR owner...he should have seen that coming right Steve? he should have looked through the tiny cracks between fence pailings and noticed that 250cc Volvo car racing in reverse for the exact point on the street he was about to ride through after crossing the speed bump he was currently passing over, right???? SKILLZ!

Funny thing is some back office dude who enters the data seems to have taken it on his own authority to correct the details the attending officer had written in the forms, I have copies of the report to prove that to.

You make me sick with your pathetic repetitive dribble Steve.

The numbers are fucked, and you still blow the same trumpet. There was NO justification for the raise in levy's, there is NO justification for the 601cc price jump either.
87% of all motorcycle accidents are 250cc bikes
enter just one of those in at 2,500cc's from a sample of 50, the whole picture changes.

When the data gets cleaned up (choke) and the prejudice against motorcycles is taken out of the equation, then try making your statements on what is the common causes and attempt to lay your blame.
Till then your just another idiot who believes the governments twisted figures.

The hope I had that this council would see through the govts bullshit is long gone.

[Katman]

Exactly what percentage Steve?
You're another one who eludes to knowing/understanding the numbers but show me your source...because there is NO reliable source on the numbers, its simple as that

Every single one of us could list countless instances of motorcyclists losing control on a corner (through no-one's fault but their own).

I don't need numbers to convince me that it's happening way too often.

[avgas]

Who cares if the fees don't come down?

If we collectively improve our riding and in so doing we save some lives, that should be reward enough.

Nah I would rather the opposite.
Drop my expenses and let more dumb bastards die.

Its a combination of Economics and Evolution that needs to be found.
Kill off the stupid, not prevent the poor from riding.

[Ocean1]

I don't need numbers to convince me

That's good. Because otherwise this:

list countless instances

would be a bit of a problem.

[Katman]

That's good. Because otherwise this:



would be a bit of a problem.

So what number is countless?

[Ocean1]

So what number is countless?

A very difficult one to incorporate in a list.

[StoneY]

So what number is countless?

The number that indicates your arrogance and stupidity ratio.
I believe that number is non existent, its a factor not a number..that factor is infinity (therefore your number on this score is infinite)