Battle of Buckets 2011, Ruapuna, 15 October

[dangerous]

On a warm up lap, what a munter

nananaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... was a full on race man, well for me it was I didnt see why I should head back to the pits with you softies just cos STJ parked her arse in the grass, shit reckon that was the fastest lap I ever did... well to the hair pin at least.

Oi! That was the same warm up lap that I broke myself....

You on the warm up lap... me on the return cos you were hogging the ambo's but no fucker bothered to tell me that so I just seen the green drop so farked off I was racing the BOB

[Clivoris]

B3 Racing might have to make the effort next year.

[GirrlRacer]

B3 Racing might have to make the effort next year.

might ?? you mean we do

[F5 Dave]

oh btw Trudes & Michelle, you two would have been dodging these guys every few laps as well.

[Clivoris]

oh btw Trudes & Michelle, you two would have been dodging these guys every few laps as well.

I'm always stoked to see people giving it a go and remember how hard it was to do that when the confidence and skill just wasn't there. It is a tricky thing to manage though. GirrlRacer wanted to give the recent Kaitoke "endurance" race a go, and I wasn't keen as she wasn't quite up to B grade pace. I was worried that she would get carved up (not maliciously) and have her confidence knocked. One month or so later and she would handle it fine in my opinion.
How do we give developing riders track time so they can get up to speed? Do the faster riders just have to tolerate it because what other people want is important too?

[Trudes]

I'm always stoked to see people giving it a go and remember how hard it was to do that when the confidence and skill just wasn't there. It is a tricky thing to manage though. GirrlRacer wanted to give the recent Kaitoke "endurance" race a go, and I wasn't keen as she wasn't quite up to B grade pace. I was worried that she would get carved up (not maliciously) and have her confidence knocked. One month or so later and she would handle it fine in my opinion.
How do we give developing riders track time so they can get up to speed? Do the faster riders just have to tolerate it because what other people want is important too?

Kendog and I were discussing this last night. B grade here in Welly (can't comment on elsewhere in the country) has gotten stupid fast compared to what it used to be, like when I started about 4 years ago, and must be pretty intimidating for new riders, kids and parents of kids who are learning, not to mention those of us who regularly get lapped in B grade just because we're slow. We were saying how nice it would be to be able to run a regular C grade here in Wellington for those just starting out, wanting to give it a go for the first time, and slow fucks like me. Might also be a way to actually do something towards the constant debate about "How do we get young riders interested in racing?" Just a thought.....

[F5 Dave]

I'm always stoked to see people giving it a go and remember how hard it was to do that when the confidence and skill just wasn't there. . .

Yeah my point is that no matter if the bikes are silly slow then new riders on the bikes are going to be crazy slow no matter what.

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How do we give developing riders track time so they can get up to speed? Do the faster riders just have to tolerate it because what other people want is important too?

As above, I think its a point of safety on longer tracks when you can come upon (settle) someone with perhaps 90k diff. That could be a trifle dangerous. I won't make the obvious comparisons with issue in big bike meetings of a few years back.

[dangerous]

How do we give developing riders track time so they can get up to speed? Do the faster riders just have to tolerate it because what other people want is important too?

YES... well IMO anyways. Ya see a "fast" rider should also be a curtious safe rider, another words ban the fast dangerous idiots NOT the learners or up n comers, as I have found thay are rearley an issue.

[Henk]

Kendog and I were discussing this last night. B grade here in Welly (can't comment on elsewhere in the country) has gotten stupid fast compared to what it used to be, like when I started about 4 years ago, and must be pretty intimidating for new riders, kids and parents of kids who are learning, not to mention those of us who regularly get lapped in B grade just because we're slow. We were saying how nice it would be to be able to run a regular C grade here in Wellington for those just starting out, wanting to give it a go for the first time, and slow fucks like me. Might also be a way to actually do something towards the constant debate about "How do we get young riders interested in racing?" Just a thought.....

Exactly why the majority of the kids (i.e. just turned 13 and getting on track for the first time) up here are driving an F5 revival, fewer people and the old hands aren't serious enough about it to cause them any grief. Not the nutterfest that the sharp end of the B grade has turned into up here as well.
I guess part of the issue is that with the bikes available now (mainly FXRs but also some CB125Ts that have been on the market recently) it's easy to turn close to A grade times without being a competent racer. The agression and speed are there but not neccesarily the skill, the step up to A grade gets even less polite and someone that is used to lapping slower riders can get a hell of a shock when someone levers open a gap with a crowbar. I know I sat up the first couple of times it happened to me, good thing nobody was going round the outside as well.

[gav]

I think part of the "problem" (if it is one) is that the BoB now seems to attract alot of once a year racers. And the pace has certainly moved on alot the last couple of seasons. Even Kickaha who was riding a warm FXR was saying how improved alot of the regular riders have become.
I dont think I have seen those YB guys turn up before, but yeah the speed difference at times was huge. Also after a while you had guys lapping others while getting lapped by others who were then getting passed by the leaders etc.
Those Hoogie boys took no prisoners when carving you up thats for sure, but damn, best seat in the house watching them in action.

[timg]

I think part of the "problem" (if it is one) is that the BoB now seems to attract alot of once a year racers.

So getting rid of the once a year Kickaha....

[dangerous]

So getting rid of the once a year Kickaha....

hahaha... sorry Kick but that is kinda funny

[Kickaha]

hahaha... sorry Kick but that is kinda funny

At least I was there and racing

[F5 Dave]

Well I'm still sore & I didn't fall off. dumb body armour is supposed to protect you, not injure you. Probably all happened in those last 8 over run min

[Kickaha]

I think part of the "problem" (if it is one) is that the BoB now seems to attract alot of once a year racers. And the pace has certainly moved on alot the last couple of seasons. Even Kickaha who was riding a warm FXR was saying how improved alot of the regular riders have become.

I hadn't raced for 22months and guys I had been consistently beating I wasn't getting anywhere near them and was getting lapped by a few of them to

I think the standard of riding and level has gone up a few notches in the last year or so

I dont think I have seen those YB guys turn up before, but yeah the speed difference at times was huge.

While the speed differential was quite big It didn't cause me any problems, the orange vest made them easy to spot and they always held there line and didn't do any dumb shit

Although I did end up on the wrong side of the ripple strip through pothole going around one of them, nice smooth bit of concrete out there