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    yep gets your heart pumpin a little more lane splitting lol.wet weather with white lines, misty car windows and mirrors and trying your best to remember to keep the speed down, and watching that rain poor off ya visor, and then get to work think wow now I know why i ride.
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    Lived to tell the tale, nice one.

    I haven't had the luck of rescuing my front, from the times that it went, but I guess I need to work on practising losing my front and regaining traction. Ya, good instincts on get your foot out. Motorcross experience is always a bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HungusMaximist View Post
    I haven't had the luck of rescuing my front, from the times that it went, but I guess I need to work on practising losing my front and regaining traction.
    Or on not losing your front. That might also be worth a try.

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    Aside from all the accident prevention advice.... in terms of answering your question, the answer is ... IT DEPENDS.

    For clarification. You can lock the front and release the brakes fast enough that the front will not tuck, but you have to be ready for it. If the front starts to tuck, then your response is the only thing that will keep it upright. The only other thing that will, once you have lost the front is to use your knee if you are in a corner. However, unless you are going crazy road speeds... you won't be saving anything on your knee. At the track, in the dry.... yes it is possible. It happened to me for the first time earlier this year. I nearly pooped my pants. My handlebars turned and I though "OH $#!T, I'm crashing"... instinctively pushed the knee out and somehow I didn't fall. It was more luck than anything.

    However, in your situation, my example doesn't apply.... but I do wonder if you could maybe have released the front brake a little sooner. You can actually apply A LOT of pressure in the wet (lines aside), just don't grab a handful... it needs to be progressive. You can practice in a wet parking lot. You can practice locking and releasing the front. It is a great exercise.... although a bit scary to try at first.

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    crasher gave great advice, but also knowing your own abilities, and that of the bike as well is also important. next time its raining, go and find a big empty carpark and practice some braking manouvers, get a feel for the bike and what it can do. also if in a city or during a season where rain can be an issue, think about what sort of qaulity tyres you have on the bike as well.

    Practice evrything, Ive been on a bike 15 years ish now, and I still go and practice stuff on a regular basis.

    Hopefully a near miss is enough to encourage you to slow down your own progress to a level where similar incidents dont occur again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beren View Post
    However, if the front end goes out on a road bike is it already too late? Or is there anything other than putting your foot out that you can do to save the situation?
    As you have discovered it hurts when you stomp the road. There is a thread on here somewhere about saving a front wheel loss. It is by a rather controversial member, well he isn't really, just creates a shit storm when he posts. He has a few tips that I think are useful having used a couple of them myself.

    Getting the weight off the front wheel as fast as you can will help, stay away from the cats eyes, and check your front tyre pressure.

    Only other advise I have...

    You seemed like a lovely young man when we met the other weekend. I would like to spend more time getting to know you, therefore I dont want you to kill yourself on the road anytime soon. Slow down

    Leave a bit earlier for work if timing is an issue. By all means lane split, but do it with care and consideration to other road users ao you can infact split past a copper without panicking.

    Simply slow down and build the skills you need, before you discover you dont actually have them
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    Nonono,

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    close. i think everyone should ride a push bike till they crash so they get a feel of what it can be like roughly. or do motorcross for a bit and crash more so A: you feel how crashing is.. yes it hearts B: you can think and learn of how not to crash C: eventually not crash! then theres D to Z and thats road hazards. like white line of death.

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    I only read the original post but seems like you did good!! I did almost exactly the same thing except i was hauling, i was in a corner and the cop was coming the opposite way. I put my foot down and the bike picked itself up too. Bloody hurt! Nice save id say

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chancebmx25 View Post
    close. i think everyone should ride a push bike till they crash so they get a feel of what it can be like roughly. or do motorcross for a bit and crash more so A: you feel how crashing is.. yes it hearts B: you can think and learn of how not to crash C: eventually not crash! then theres D to Z and thats road hazards. like white line of death.
    That's the way. Do it on a bicycle.

    Ride it over wet grass or smooth wet concrete and brake harder until the front wheel skids to get comfortable with the feeling (it's exactly same on a motorcycle) and you can try keep the bike up for as long as possible with the front wheel locked. Then you can try with your motorcycle in a wet parking lot but you will probably find your rear wheel just comes into the air instead as there is still quite a bit of grip on many surfaces.

    On a motard you can save the front with your foot down quite easily if you lean it too far as the bike is very light and the long bars makes for responsive steering but on a big sport bike I'd like to see someone do it.

    I've found as long as you are expecting it to happen and are waiting for it, it's not hard to correct a moment with the front. If it's a panic situation and you are not thinking about that tyre but rather staring at the barrier or something then it could be bad.
    ...Full throttle till you see god, then brake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racefactory View Post
    On a motard you can save the front with your foot down quite easily if you lean it too far as the bike is very light and the long bars makes for responsive steering but on a big sport bike I'd like to see someone do it.

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    yah, Ive heard lots of people contribute themselves saving a bin in those circumstances to putting a foot down, but I think that other reactions they make that they arent aware of, like increasing throttle, are larger contributing factors than the realise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mom View Post
    You seemed like a lovely young man when we met the other weekend. I would like to spend more time getting to know you, therefore I dont want you to kill yourself on the road anytime soon. Slow down

    Leave a bit earlier for work if timing is an issue. By all means lane split, but do it with care and consideration to other road users ao you can infact split past a copper without panicking.
    *Sniff* Aww mom that's sweet. Yes I do need to just leave the house earlier - was in a hurry again this morning stupidly. No antics or even close misses but realised that i was going a touch too quick and needed to back off a little.
    That's the way. Do it on a bicycle.
    Completely agree, I commuted for 2 years in the UK on a pushbike - 15kms each way. Did it in all seasons and when you have road tyres on a bike sheet ice is real interesting. Also used to do a fair ammount of mountain biking though probably tamer than what most kiwi's would call mountain biking - just fast trail work. I am pretty used to the front wheel sliding all over the place on a pushbike. The problem is my reactions are trained to a reasonable degree to deal with that - hence the foot.
    And yes I have had plenty of offs on push bikes - and trail bikes. And my fair share of gravel rash as a kid, but thankfully at low enough speeds or with enough protection that they were just massive grazes nothing serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aprilia_RS250 View Post
    Watch out for tar snakes on the road too. Little patches of black to cover up cracks. I've had a few rear wheel wiggles slips going over those, but they're a lot more dangerous if you're in a biggish lean.
    It's quite ironic that I'd stumble apon this thread the day after I fall victum to a front wheel slip.

    It's true also, what they say about most accidents happening in the last 2k's or so from your own house.

    Just yesterday afternoon I was on my way home after some shopping, goin down the same stretch of road I've travelled on atleast 1000 times. It's a nice S curve after a round-about. I was so used to riding down here that I wasn't paying attention to my speed. Realised I was coming up to the corner a little fast I eased the front break. Only I was riding on one of those awful black lines mentioned before. The front locked up much easier than I expected and my only reflex was to let go of the breaks. I was still coming up on the corner and I thought the front had gripped. Atleast it felt as though it gripped. I slowly started to lean towards the corner and down she went. It all happend so smooth and slow that I didn't really realise what was going on until I noticed the bike was still heading straight. By then I had reached the point of no return. Did a nice little 50k slide 10-15 meters across to the outside of the corner. Thankfully it was a right hand bend, no traffic and I didn't hit anything aside from the curb of the footpath and onto a driveway.

    One of the few days I wore jeans instead of my bike pants. I've got cuts and scrapes on my right knee but thats about it. Tore up a tiny bit of my jacket though. Bike came out of it mechanically, right hand side fairing, front and screen damaged though.

    My own fault though, I simply had a lapse of concentration because I felt like I knew the road and conditions well enough.

    Reading the title of the thread, I actually thought there would be a few things you could do in the event of a front wheel slide. Like perhaps turning towards the opposite direction or maybe related to weight transfer or rear break?

    There's no excuses for my incident, I realise I was in the wrong before the slide had begun and that the best way to correct is to prevent. I'm just a little surprised that there's absolutely nothing you can do once your in that situation.

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    yep a front wheel slide s hard to come back from.

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    I joined the "Front wheel slipping out from under the bike" club this past sunday. FWSOFUTB? Was coming down the paekakariki hill toward hwy 1, going only about 40kmh around a lefthander. I think the front lost its traction because a hump in the road surface unweighted the front tire, and I foolishly touched the front brake enough to lock it and lowside. In addition to these details, I suspect that my mind was wandering. This experience will be a hard lesson not to ride unless my attention and concentration is 100% into the ride.

    Damage was fairing, indicator, windscreen, center-stand acted as a frame slider and is now all twisted, dent in muff from center-stand twisting, small dent in tank, very repairable twist in forks, but what worries me the most is that the gear lever got a good bang too. I bent the shift lever out hoping I could ride home, but its not wanting to shift nicely just between N and 1. Could I have damaged the trans? In addition to that, the engine might be f-ed somehow, running on one cylinder or something, because it did not want to start and stay running. It would die after giving it gas. I can fix the cosmetic stuff, but I am worried about the engine/trans, so PM me if you have any ideas.

    Oh yeah, what about me? I came out with nothing more than a sore/stiff knee and ankle from the bike falling on me, don't even have bruises! I took a good hit in the shoulder, but the jacket worked great. I do think I need better protecting boots than the second hand SIDIs I wear, though.

    I have locked up the front wheel on my scooter, in the wet, while riding in a straight line. I was nearly stopped, and was able to put a foot down to catch myself as I wobbled, but my heel didnt feel good for a week. AS for my story above, this all happened so fast, and even if my head was more focused, I don't think I would have gotten a foot out to catch myself (and break my leg?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beren View Post
    -After some advice ....
    -I am starting to pick up speed a little.
    -at a reasonable pace wearing my bright flourescent learners jacket.
    -over zealous braking,
    -and the front end decides enough is enough and slips sideways.
    -Obviously I was going a little too quick for my ability
    - as an emergency braking manuever in the conditions was not controlled.
    -However, if the front end goes out on a road bike is it already too late?
    I reckon you are telling porkies...you are not really a learner rider from Auckland are you?

    You are a research engineer for Rossi's (Formerly Stoner,s) Ducati Moto GP team looking for inspiration to solve the Desmodeci front end traction problem.....isn't that so? Guess its logical you should choose NZ to conduct your research...the home of back yard inginuity and free thinking and all...

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