Still they go on and on and on...

[Katman]

Really?
OK - following on a bit.....say you repeat this process 5 times, then a 100 times, eventually you are a trusted member of the Team. 50,000 prisoners, hundreds of guards, with 20 bosses (Read: SS Officers). At what stage would you make an attempt to quit/flee/escape?

Let's not get carried away.

The thread is about one guard.

[jaffaonajappa]

Let's not get carried away.

The thread is about one guard.

And for arguments sake - Im agreeing that at some stage he may have had to make the choice: Murder or be murdered. Perhaps. But after a while - after he had faced that choice several times, and hed become a 'regular guard'....was he still facing that choice? Theres some amazing stories of Germans who refused the Nazis in WW2. Albeit - not many captured Russians.

[jaffaonajappa]

At the risk of thread hijacking or whatever its called...Going slightly off-topic from the one at the beginning - but related in that 'The real story is not always known to the public' - some current news.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5003...attle-of-Crete

[trustme]

Let's not get carried away.

The thread is about one guard.

Nope, at this threads core is that this guy was too old & it was too long ago so he should not be held responsible & by all accounts this constitutes justice.

I'm still waiting for someone to give me the cut off age for prosecuting murderers cos I might be getting close & there a few scores to settle

Also need to know how long I have to hide from prosecution before the statute of limitations on prosecution for murder kicks in.

So far no takers, not even an attempt to provide an answer

[Paul in NZ]

Nope, at this threads core is that this guy was too old & it was too long ago so he should not be held responsible & by all accounts this constitutes justice.

I'm still waiting for someone to give me the cut off age for prosecuting murderers cos I might be getting close & there a few scores to settle

Also need to know how long I have to hide from prosecution before the statute of limitations on prosecution for murder kicks in.

So far no takers, not even an attempt to provide an answer

No - thats NOT what this is about. There a good chance he didnt do anything and the best they can do is turn up a probably faked ID in a similar name which means (even if it was real) at worst he was a guard for 6 months.... Bearing in mind they have aready got his identity wrong once before when the said he was Ivan the Terrible.

I feel sorry for him because hes rooted and been persecuted by every nation you can think of (Russians, Germans, USA, Israel and now the bloody Germans again) for nearly his whole life. I admire the fact he hasnt topped himself and just resolutely refuses to say a bloody word because it just does not matter what he says - hes 'guilty' and it just goes on and on and on...

Worst of all I hate the way he has been chased by cunts whos worst experience has been a paper cut and the hardest choice they ever made was whether to become a lawyer or a banker. These people wind up other victims of WW2 and talk about 'justice' etc and ride the gravy train forever on the back of this poor bastard.

Its just plain obscene...

[Winston001]

There are thousands, no millions of borderline war crimes but it seems only ones committed (or not in this case) against jewish victims matter?

Sorry Paul, I don't doubt your sincerity but this is simply wrong. Right now war crime trials are taking place in the Hague for atrocities in Serbia and Bosnia in the 1990s. Furthermore there are trials for war crimes in Cambodia during the Pol Pot regime, in Tanzania for the Rwanda massacre, and in Liberia for war crimes in Sierra Leone.

War crimes have nothing to do with the religion or culture of the victims - they are simply humans who have been brutally slaughtered. Would you not speak up for them?

[Paul in NZ]

Sorry Paul, I don't doubt your sincerity but this is simply wrong. Right now war crime trials are taking place in the Hague for atrocities in Serbia and Bosnia in the 1990s. Furthermore there are trials for war crimes in Cambodia during the Pol Pot regime, in Tanzania for the Rwanda massacre, and in Liberia for war crimes in Sierra Leone.

War crimes have nothing to do with the religion or culture of the victims - they are simply humans who have been brutally slaughtered. Would you not speak up for them?

Yes I would and I'm very aware of it. One of our very very good friends is an investigator for the UN... I'm rather astonishingly aware of what goes on - to a level that leaves me wondering about humans being worth the bother at all - certainly some continents should just be leveled and restarted if I was going down that track .

Its just this case that irritates me. At best he was a very low level slave of the SS and it just seems unfair to chase him so hard when so many others are ignored. Its crazy.

[Sable]

Kill or be killed. Desert and be shot. If he wasn't doing it it would have been someone else and one more person being cremated alive.

[98tls]

Isnt the Bible full of words like "forgiveness" and phrases like "he who casts the first stone" or similar?Am not a religious person at all but these "children of god" or whatever Jews consider themselves sure seem to have a lot of un god like shit going on.

[imdying]

Really?
OK - following on a bit.....say you repeat this process 5 times, then a 100 times, eventually you are a trusted member of the Team. 50,000 prisoners, hundreds of guards, with 20 bosses (Read: SS Officers). At what stage would you make an attempt to quit/flee/escape?

Flee?!?!?!

You've got free reign to shoot as many jews as you like and you want to leave? What the hell is wrong with you?

[imdying]

Sorry Paul, I don't doubt your sincerity but this is simply wrong. Right now war crime trials are taking place in the Hague for atrocities in Serbia and Bosnia in the 1990s. Furthermore there are trials for war crimes in Cambodia during the Pol Pot regime, in Tanzania for the Rwanda massacre, and in Liberia for war crimes in Sierra Leone.

I think he was thinking of the dicks on the allies side that did just as bad as the 3rd Reich goons? Fat Man and Little Boy? Surely that's the worst war crime ever?

[oneofsix]

Isnt the Bible full of words like "forgiveness" and phrases like "he who casts the first stone" or similar?Am not a religious person at all but these "children of god" or whatever Jews consider themselves sure seem to have a lot of un god like shit going on.

Those quotes are from the new testament, the one that tells the story of Jesus. They apply to the Christians not the Jews. Jews books in the bible are the old testament and are fill of phrases like tooth for a tooth and eye for an eye, exhortation to genocide. Now the Jews books go past the start of the new testament, and cover WWII but I am not familiar with them, not that I would say I was familiar with the Bible :Wink:

[trustme]

Practical application of Kiwi Biker Logic

Ratko Mladic

It's 16 years, lets move on
He was a soldier just following orders
He's old, what's the point
He's unwell what's the point
It's causing unrest in Serbia for no good reason
It's not justice but politics, the govt has turned him over so they can get better access to euro markets

He's a scapegoat & it sucks

YEAH RIGHT

He has to be accountable for his actions, it was no different for JD.
Both had a case to answer,the courts decide whether there is sufficient evidence to prove the case. Hopefully both will be held to account

We wonder why the world is in such a mess, it's no wonder when people can no longer differentiate between right & wrong, we just run around blurring the edges to mitigate wrong doing.

[avgas]

We wonder why the world is in such a mess, it's no wonder when people can no longer differentiate between right & wrong, we just run around blurring the edges to mitigate wrong doing.

Very true however you have to realize that every race has got it a little fucked up and wrong.

I don't imagine it was his orders.......there is always a bigger fish.
We have is pretty sweet here, in some countries its "do as I say or die".

I don't think its squeaky clean, but I don't think its worth a court case. Just lock him up for the rest of his life. Why waste people time to prove it?

[Paul in NZ]

Oh FFS. Stop trying to widen the argument to all war criminal. The guy I'm refering to was 19 years old when the war started. Up until then the soviets killed millions of his countrymen and then suddenly they needed bodies so he was forced to join up to fight the germans, wounded captured and forced to fight the soviets... There is very little proof he did anything else. Both sides in WW2 wanted him dead it seems.

They arrested him originally because they thought he was someone else entirely ffs... They just dont want to admit that they are the latest to make this poor cunts life a misery.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/demjanjuk-d...090235528.html

One of the people prosecuting him 'had family' that might have died there and said it was good that he was tried so that people wouldnt forget what happened... Even if he was there he didnt bloody want to be and the ONLY reason these cunts want him found guilty is to set a prescedent so they can go after a whole bunch of other very low level flunkies.... Thus the gravy train and the whole industry goes on and on and on.....

To compare him to a senior military commander that actively participated in war crimes is utterly pathetic. Tell ya what - that picture of the small boy whos hair he touselled could have stopped him - lets prosecute him too