Secret abortions for under 18s? Good shit.

[superman]

Yeah, being raised by a child with a sub normal intellect and then bouncing from foster home to foster home being sexually abused - thats a good choice.
Its all good though - she went on to have more kids..... more kids that were taken off her too...

Some people should be taken out back...

[hellokitty]

Some people should be taken out back...

Yup!
Amazing really that no one thinks of adoption any more.... having been in this situation as a teenager when a young friend became pregnant - she adopted her kid out - of course it was hard,but in her situation the pain of adoption was easier than the guilt of abortion. She has regular contact and her kid is now 20 and was raised by a wonderful couple who cherished her.

[Goblin]

My friend's 14 year old daughter came home and said she was pregnant by her 37 year old married neighbour. She had been to the doctor and had been told that it was her right to have this baby. No one had any right to tell her that she couldn't have this baby.
The baby was taken off her and bounced from foster home to foster home, as this 14 year old child couldn't raise a baby.
But the important thing was that this 14 year old her rights respected to hell with the poor baby....

what a fucking mess

She should have been sterilized and he castrated!

[Geeen]

Also can't take that injection?

Wow... that sucks.

Allergic to condoms? I have a friend allergic to latex... he informs me you can buy silk condoms.

There are natural products which aid contraception (some are very effective) also which our ancestors used hundreds/thousands of years ago.

All good suggestions, but how many 11 - 16 year old girls are comfortable telling their parents that they are having sex let alone talking about holistic contraception? A lot of Parents would would either go in to denial or try and enforce abstinence. Neither reaction is very helpfull. I hope that when my daughter get to this age group she can talk to us about these sort of things. At the end of the day we have to trust that we've raised to to think about what she is doing and make decisions that are right for her. The same goes for alcohol, we are trying to teach her that is just another drink. You drink it because you like the taste and not to get shitfaced. Peer pressure is a powerfull thing and so is the desire to conform, its a rare person in that age group who can go against the group mentality.

Man I ramble...

[Hitcher]

No contraception is 100% foolproof.
(except a hysterectomy - but that isn't done for contraceptive purposes)

Be careful not to confuse contraception with sterilisation. Big difference.

[hellokitty]

Be careful not to confuse contraception with sterilisation. Big difference.

well obviously.....

[superman]

All good suggestions, but how many 11 - 16 year old girls are comfortable telling their parents that they are having sex let alone talking about holistic contraception? A lot of Parents would would either go in to denial or try and enforce abstinence. Neither reaction is very helpfull. I hope that when my daughter get to this age group she can talk to us about these sort of things. At the end of the day we have to trust that we've raised to to think about what she is doing and make decisions that are right for her. The same goes for alcohol, we are trying to teach her that is just another drink. You drink it because you like the taste and not to get shitfaced. Peer pressure is a powerfull thing and so is the desire to conform, its a rare person in that age group who can go against the group mentality.

Man I ramble...

That's good stuff! I hope to be a very reasonable parent some day just like you seem to be.

My parents invoked the alcohol is a drink for taste from when I was only little, they are both Swiss so I got a good sense of what wines to combine with what cheeses. The best spirits to settle your taste-buds and stomach after a heavy cheese fondue Pretty much the typical central European view of alcohol and it's combination with fooooood. Nom nom.

The thing was all the friends from my school all had a very similar upbringing (private school ). However my gf and her friends are prone to drinking for getting shitfaced (why? All their parents seem to do it...), I don't think there's one form of alcohol my gf likes the taste of... The drinks are all "cover up the alcohol part" RTDs....

I think education and a good sense of communication with parents is key.

My mother funnily enough is completely against abortion. Though I think that's completely due to past miscarriages and when nature aborts you when you don't want it to, it must be very hard. Though I wouldn't be here if those little buggers hadn't of buggered off so I owe em my life!

[hellokitty]

She should have been sterilized and he castrated!

Yes but of course in the PC crazy world - it is their "right" to do whatever they want and to hell with the consequences....
They were going to charge him with stat rape but he was inside for assault when this all came out...

[Geeen]

However my gf and her friends are prone to drinking for getting shitfaced (why? All their parents seem to do it...), I don't think there's one form of alcohol my gf likes the taste of... The drinks are all "cover up the alcohol part" RTDs....

I think education and a good sense of communication with parents is key.

Brings to mind an Ad campaign ALAC had going a couple of years ago about "Training at the Bar"

Up to a certain age kids want to be just like Mum/Dad. I took my 4yo son around the house on my bike so I could wash it a couple of weeks ago and since then He wont wear anything that doesnt have a motorbike on it. It just shows how early attitudes towards things like Sex, Drugs, Alcohol and Rock 'n Roll are formed. Its kinda sad we are seeing kids either drowned in material things (toys, ipods etc) in lieu of having Mum or Dad around which promotes the "I want, I get" mindset or the other extreme of parents always drinking or getting high. When I was a SKY tech there were many jobs I did where the house was falling apart and kids were running around in overfull nappies but they HAD to have SKY TV. All this affects pregnancy rates, youth offending and Alcohol abuse when these kids grow up. The happy middle ground for the well adjusted seems to be shrinking.

[Gremlin]

You think 16 year-olds can't make rational decisions?

Well, the reasoning side of the human brain only develops properly in the early twenties, so certainly, a teenagers judgement could be wrong.

The dude is definitely just as responsible for what happens.

Responsible for the creating of a baby, yes. Forcing a women to abort, because that's the choice for you? Good luck. The ultimate decision is still hers, whether you like it or not.

In my experience, there are too many girls who don't truly think about the consequences of a child, the loss of personal time, career, friends etc, and think it would be cool/fun/whatever.

[sunhuntin]

In my experience, there are too many girls who don't truly think about the consequences of a child, the loss of personal time, career, friends etc, and think it would be cool/fun/whatever.

and yet those of us who know our minds and are 100% certain we never, ever want kids get told we cant choose sterilisation due to being too young.

[yachtie10]

Well, the reasoning side of the human brain only develops properly in the early twenties, so certainly, a teenagers judgement could be wrong.


Responsible for the creating of a baby, yes. Forcing a women to abort, because that's the choice for you? Good luck. The ultimate decision is still hers, whether you like it or not.

In my experience, there are too many girls who don't truly think about the consequences of a child, the loss of personal time, career, friends etc, and think it would be cool/fun/whatever.

shit your making sense today

[Geeen]

and yet those of us who know our minds and are 100% certain we never, ever want kids get told we cant choose sterilisation due to being too young.

The same happened to us AND we are married with 2 kids......

[Mom]

Why should abortion be any different?

No general anesthetic required...

I am with the OP here, you should have developed the kind of relationship with your daughters and sons that they can come to you with the hard news if shit happens.

I would be very angry with myself if something like this happend with one of my girls.

[sunhuntin]

The same happened to us AND we are married with 2 kids......

its not on IMHO. i can understand why they need to make sure, but they shouldnt discourage it so much either.
not sure if going private would make a difference. going to try changing drs and will ask cos it would be a load off my mind. i can barely tolerate my neice and nephews for a weekend, never mind 24/7 for the rest of my life.