Secret abortions for under 18s? Good shit.

[Geeen]

its not on IMHO. i can understand why they need to make sure, but they shouldnt discourage it so much either.
not sure if going private would make a difference. going to try changing drs and will ask cos it would be a load off my mind. i can barely tolerate my neice and nephews for a weekend, never mind 24/7 for the rest of my life.

My wife ended up getting a merina (nothing to do with boats ) put in. It lasts five years and meant to be more reliable than if both parties are 'nicked'. So when shes in her 30s hopefully we can get a more permanent solution.

[Gremlin]

and yet those of us who know our minds and are 100% certain we never, ever want kids get told we cant choose sterilisation due to being too young.

To be fair tho, your mind can change a lot from twenties to fourties. Not saying it will, but I was dead certain I would never do long distance riding, yet now I'm addicted. That change only took a couple of years. Not in the same league of course, but the mind is a complicated thing.

shit your making sense today

Too much work/working on bike and not enough riding. It's a god awful mix

[sunhuntin]

My wife ended up getting a merina (nothing to do with boats ) put in. It lasts five years and meant to be more reliable than if both parties are 'nicked'. So when shes in her 30s hopefully we can get a more permanent solution.

ive been considering either that or the in-arm jadelle, but would rather a permanent "fix", and ive read differeing opinions of both which put me off somewhat.

done depo before and it worked fine. i dont trust my current dr to come near me with a pen, never mind a needle, hence trying to change. last time i went to her about my knees, which have been fucked for 6 years since my accident, she told me it was cos of my weight and then tried to book for me in for womens stuff.

To be fair tho, your mind can change a lot from twenties to fourties. Not saying it will, but I was dead certain I would never do long distance riding, yet now I'm addicted. That change only took a couple of years. Not in the same league of course, but the mind is a complicated thing.

this is true, but ive known since i was a kid myself that i never wanted any.

[oldrider]

What did the Yoda say in Starwars, do, or do not, if only life were that simple!

[nodrog:Me]

theres nothing a good punch in the guts wont fix

[wysper]

I am with the OP here, you should have developed the kind of relationship with your daughters and sons that they can come to you with the hard news if shit happens.

I agree in principle here, but I would like to think that if my girl couldn't talk to me or her mum, there was someone she could talk to. I feel for the school's and the counsellors in this case. Everyone is in a lose-lose situation.

But if the kids weren't protected by the patient/doctor/counsellor confidentiality thing, then they wouldn't even talk to them. Then how much worse would it be!
The child would be trying to deal with this all alone.

Sure it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but it has and now the task is to try and deal with it in the best way possible.

Sure - option one is Mum and Dad, but if for some reason that can't or won't happen.

Next maybe and extended family member? No?

Next option is a counsellor/doctor

Surely that has to be better than second hand info and advice from other kids at school?

Just my 2c, I hope I never have to find out how our family would react to this.

[Edbear]

That's good stuff! I hope to be a very reasonable parent some day just like you seem to be.

My parents invoked the alcohol is a drink for taste from when I was only little, they are both Swiss so I got a good sense of what wines to combine with what cheeses. The best spirits to settle your taste-buds and stomach after a heavy cheese fondue Pretty much the typical central European view of alcohol and it's combination with fooooood. Nom nom.

The thing was all the friends from my school all had a very similar upbringing (private school ). However my gf and her friends are prone to drinking for getting shitfaced (why? All their parents seem to do it...), I don't think there's one form of alcohol my gf likes the taste of... The drinks are all "cover up the alcohol part" RTDs....

I think education and a good sense of communication with parents is key.

My mother funnily enough is completely against abortion. Though I think that's completely due to past miscarriages and when nature aborts you when you don't want it to, it must be very hard. Though I wouldn't be here if those little buggers hadn't of buggered off so I owe em my life!

Interesting comments and well said.

No general anesthetic required...

I am with the OP here, you should have developed the kind of relationship with your daughters and sons that they can come to you with the hard news if shit happens.

I would be very angry with myself if something like this happend with one of my girls.

You've both hit the nail on the head. As others have opined, parental involvement with their children is vital. Open and respectful communication is absolutely necessary in order for children to be able to talk to their parents about anything knowing they will be listened to and respected and problems are addressed in an atmosphere of love.

Speaking of education, has anyone taken the time to learn about abortion, what it is and how it's done? As parents it is beholden upon us to know what we are talking about and able to communicate this with our children. I have a reference I'd like to post about abortion, but I do warn, it's gritty medical stuff.

[avgas]

I love this debate.
I brings out all the lovelys who think that teenagers know what the fuck they are doing.
They are teenagers - they will do the dumbest stuff possible, they are chemically imbalanced in the brain like an insane person.

So giving them some form of exit clause isnt a bad idea

[avgas]

Oooh yeah live a tough life or get killed in the womb, I know if I was a baby which one I'd be picking!

I mean everyone would rather die am I rite?

Every time you comment on here.
God kills and embryo.

Didn't you know

[Edbear]

I love this debate.
I brings out all the lovelys who think that teenagers know what the fuck they are doing.
They are teenagers - they will do the dumbest stuff possible, they are chemically imbalanced in the brain like an insane person.

So giving them some form of exit clause isnt a bad idea

Now I'm in my 50's I think I know what I'm doing, but then I've always thought I knew what I was doing and teenagers are no different. My 5 year-old grandson thinks he knows it all too and has to be protected from himself.

Teenagers are so full of raging hormones and growing spells they often don't know whether they are Arthur or Martha let alone whether they are coming or going and definitely need protecting from themselves!

Here's an attachment about abortion that many may not know about. It is sobering reading and should give everyone pause to think. It's not the mother's body, it's a whole nother person in the mother's body. And it feels pain.

[Lurch]

I'm one of the least religious people in the world but it's interesting that there are such a number of people here that don't believe in the sanctity of life.

I'm not saying that I'm the sort of guy that wouldn't have shot Osama, but I do believe that every life deserves the chance to have a go at it for themselves, even if that chance might be against the odds of 'being good'.

[racefactory]

It's a hell of a lot better than having even more sluts breeding like rabbits when they can't even afford to feed themself.

"Put the dick down, and get a phucking job."

SMOKEU speaks a lot of sense.

If not, then at least educate them to suck a cock instead of planting one.

Society and consequently the environment suffers when unwanted, neglected children are brought up. Stop the misery from mindless rooting before it begins- I'm all for it. The world and it's ecosystems are a train wreck picking up speed and we all need to be healthy minded and educated enough to stand up for the greater good; fuck the feminist activists. Human reproduction NEEDS to be outlawed in some form.

[avgas]

It's not the mother's body, it's a whole nother person in the mother's body. And it feels pain.

Yes and no.
Recent studies found the following:

- Fish choke when taken out of water. And will try to breath for hours in complete agony. They stated that taking a fish out of water for hours is the equivalent to putting a person in a well for a matter of weeks. Death being immanent.

- Plants are actually the most touch sensitive things on the planet. And feel pain up to a 1000 times more than a human. This is due to requiring the sensitivity to adjust leaves in sunlight and wind conditions. There is not comparison in human turns in the level of pain a plant feels when a branch is removed.

Plus countless other wonder facts out there.
Science is a bitch unless it suits someones personal agendas really.

Life is full of decisions. In many instances these decisions directly will affect someone else's quality of life. But it doesn't mean these decisions should be removed because of this. If you truly thought this you would not buy gold and diamonds, burn coal or oil, drink coffee or even read the newspaper. All of these decisions mean that someone, at some point in time has died because you made this decision.
But its unless the knowledge of the outcome fits someones personal agenda - you will not hear about it.

[Edbear]

Yes and no.
Recent studies found the following:

- Fish choke when taken out of water. And will try to breath for hours in complete agony. They stated that taking a fish out of water for hours is the equivalent to putting a person in a well for a matter of weeks. Death being immanent.

- Plants are actually the most touch sensitive things on the planet. And feel pain up to a 1000 times more than a human. This is due to requiring the sensitivity to adjust leaves in sunlight and wind conditions. There is not comparison in human turns in the level of pain a plant feels when a branch is removed.

Plus countless other wonder facts out there.
Science is a bitch unless it suits someones personal agendas really.

Life is full of decisions. In many instances these decisions directly will affect someone else's quality of life. But it doesn't mean these decisions should be removed because of this. If you truly thought this you would not buy gold and diamonds, burn coal or oil, drink coffee or even read the newspaper. All of these decisions mean that someone, at some point in time has died because you made this decision.
But its unless the knowledge of the outcome fits someones personal agenda - you will not hear about it.

Irrespective, mate, it's killing a human being in the most inhumane ways. It is cruel and barbaric and turns my stomach to read how it is done.

Talking about agenda's is true, though. Why don't we hear about this through the media?

Funny that someone who kills an unborn child through a lawless or careless act can be charged with murder or manslaughter but abortion is not classed as murder under the law, which it certainly is by definition.

[avgas]

don't believe in the sanctity of life.

Who's? Life is interesting as it seems very objective depending on where you sit.

In a world where we know we are going to run out of resources due to an increasing population (with an increasing demand).........

To change demand is near impossible........so depends what price you put on Sanctity of life.............if you believe it is a must, SAVE UGANDA for a start