Labour's new policy - attack the farmers

[Winston001]

so...tell me....why is it people belive what they read in a news paper and believe it with out question as 100% true??

My thoughts:

• Most of the news is accurate and true so we tend to believe even the spin stories
• Journalists are under pressure to write stories, and print what they are presented with by media-savvy organisations
• Journalists aren't as broadly educated as they used to be, so they don't know the deeper questions to ask
• Critical analysis is not taught in schools. It is hard work for the teacher and the student
• The printed word is powerful. We tend to believe it

[Winston001]

Nice sentiment - but are you kidding??? Many farmers are some of the biggest whingers, idiots and deluded bullshit artists I know (and I've spent my days owning and working the land) ..

LOL. I agree about whingers because they feel outnumbered and ignored in an urban dominated society. Just look at the moaning about broadband in NZ - its too slow, haven't got ADSL2 yet, why do we have data caps yadda yadda.

Shag! Farmers and horticulturists I know still only get dial-up - and even that can be down to 20kps. People shipping fruit, vegetables, and wine need BB to be able to connect with freight companies, warehouses, wholesalers, MAF etc etc. Hell even to be able to do online banking.

Incidentally I'm on slow dial-up right now near Queenstown. No BB here but I'm just visiting thankfully.

[puddytat]

As a Farmer (albeit a small one) i got a $9oo.00 tax refund this year because I earn fuck all & have 2 part time jobs as well. We work on the principle that our farm has to pay for itself...it does but only just.For us its all about lifestyle & flying our Organic & G.E Free flag.
Most farmers i know spend most if not all of what they make in a year on the farm so they don't have to pay tax. I struggle with that concept personally.
Something I often hear from farmers usually via the printed farmy papers is that they really care for their land & environment.....that's bullshit from what i see generally & the majority really only care about their pocket.Most of 'em cut down all the old trees planted by the early settlers to build a shed but far too few will ever plant one.
As for dairy farmers well they are the worst as far as Im concerned...One cow is the equivalent effluent of 14 people. So times the Dairy herd of approx 4 million by 14 =56million people shitting all over the place.Would we accept that number of refugees doing it all over the place?.I dont think so. Yet they make such an issue of freedom campers leaving a load in a carpark
Every time there's a bit of rain forecast, they're out there spreading that Nitrogen
So yeah tax the bastards, then the sooner you'll all starve.
The sooner they tax me out of farming critters then the sooner I'll plant the rest in Trees. Oh hang on theyre going to make it near impossible to do that too...profitably. ETS is just another futures market scam IMO.
Luckily the power is still on to the old pig shed so if I line it with Tin foil, put in a few more lights & plug in the heaters......Then i might be able to pay more tax.

This thread has had some really good posts from all you fellas
Sorry to lower the standard.

[pete376403]

So why is it that the most poluted land in this country per square metre...[and not by a little bit by a massive margin] is the towns....!!

I would have thought it was the sites where chemicals (mainly for agricultural use) were manufactured, with the wastes being dumped into nearby streams or gullies.
Although to be fair most of these chemicals were for horticultural use, not dairying.

Anyway, town dwellers, by and large, don't dump shit directly on the ground, so what sort of pollution are you referring to?

[reofix]

they get their cheque.... they dont want inconvienient questions about that stream at the back of the farm that used to have trout and is now a gutter of cowshit... dont ask dont tell.. its the fonterra way!!!!!!!!

[cowpoos]

I would have thought it was the sites where chemicals (mainly for agricultural use) were manufactured, with the wastes being dumped into nearby streams or gullies.
Although to be fair most of these chemicals were for horticultural use, not dairying.

Anyway, town dwellers, by and large, don't dump shit directly on the ground, so what sort of pollution are you referring to?

are you a Idiot?? I say that seriously???


you must be absolutely retarded!!!

[cowpoos]

please....only intelligent people answer this.





Should I write a long winded and badly punctuated but detailed post on here explaining the simple facts and rebuttals to the crap people think in this thread or am I wasting my time on thick uninformed people??

[unstuck]

please....only intelligent people answer this.





Should I write a long winded and badly punctuated but detailed post on here explaining the simple facts and rebuttals to the crap people think in this thread or am I wasting my time on thick uninformed people??

YEP, you sound way to intelligent for the likes of me.

[Geeen]

please....only intelligent people answer this.





Should I write a long winded and badly punctuated but detailed post on here explaining the simple facts and rebuttals to the crap people think in this thread or am I wasting my time on thick uninformed people??

I take it your username is tied up with the way you make a living??

You could write a massive post detailing facts and rebuttals but if people dont want to take in what you are saying, you just wasted a whole heap of time. It really looks like those of us who have spent time living on farms have a different mindset than those who grew up in urban areas. I now live in town but havent lost the love of rural NZ.

[oneofsix]

please....only intelligent people answer this.





Should I write a long winded and badly punctuated but detailed post on here explaining the simple facts and rebuttals to the crap people think in this thread or am I wasting my time on thick uninformed people??

Funny how when people say shit like 'only intelligent people' what they really mean is "only dumbs shits that agree with me"

[oneofsix]

they get their cheque.... they dont want inconvienient questions about that stream at the back of the farm that used to have trout and is now a gutter of cowshit... dont ask dont tell.. its the fonterra way!!!!!!!!

If it used to have trout it was ruined anyhow, bloody invasive foreign species. The frigging things are more protected here than in the UK. Now if you had said long fin eel or whitebait you might have had a point.

[scumdog]

You obviously don't know many farmers then aye. The ones I know drive old cars, have regular meetings with their bank managers to talk about there mortgage payments that they aren't meeting, don't ever have any regular holidays etc.

And when their machine breaks down have to renegotiate with the bank on how .

Sheep farmers maybe - but not dairy farmers.

And farms cost so much to buy cos there's a big income in farming - if you've the capital to buy one without a crippling mortgage...

[Winston001]

As a Farmer..for us its all about lifestyle & flying our Organic & G.E Free flag.

Something I often hear from farmers usually via the printed farmy papers is that they really care for their land & environment.....that's bullshit from what i see generally & the majority really only care about their pocket.

Most of 'em cut down all the old trees planted by the early settlers to build a shed but far too few will ever plant one.

Yeah...you've described my dear departed dad. In the sense that he cut down trees and only planted a few. But...he spent his early years cutting farm hedges with a slasher and 25ft ladder which took weeks. Other trees had to be climbed to be limbed or simply left to grow.

I used to argue with him about more shelterbelts but now I understand why he wanted to bulldoze the lot.

It was marvellous when the first machine hedge-cutters arrived in the mid-60s.

My impression is that young farmers of all types are planting trees and riparian strips along ditches and streams. Not everyone of course and for those with deep debt, simply running the farm is as much as they can cope with. But the farming landscape is changing with more planting being done.

[T.W.R]

High intensity farming is a brilliant thing for the enviroment short sightedness & long term damage

Plenty of years working in agricultural contracting you get to see plenty of what goes on beyond the farm gate & front hedge most so-called farmers these days are over committed money hungry twats that learnt absolutely zip from their predecessors, mostly just happy to rape the land without giving anything back
As for hedgecutters, quite few thousand hours driving one gives a good perspective on what cockies really think of the land

Fonterra is just a money hungry goliath that was founded by one of the biggest most unliked c@#ts in the Mid Canterbury district, Roadley was even disliked by most of his neighbours and any of the businesses he dealt with. Now their off raping south america

Synlait's majority shareholders are ex politicians, sort of speaks for itself

Currently working for LIC (another dairy giant that's been around longer than both of the above) you get to see exactly what's going on in the industry and where they're wanting to head

[fuknKIWI]

This thread caught my eye, I haven't read it yet apart from the last post & this one, first Labour attacking farmers is hardly a new policy. Second attacking Agri business could be a new policy...I hope David Lange is still dead

Over the past few days Labour MP Stuart Nash said dairy farmers at 31 March 2009 (two years ago) only paid an average $1500 tax that year. http://www.3news.co.nz/Farmers-hit-b...3/Default.aspx

Now Phil Goff announces that farmers will be taxed $800 million for the Emissions Trading Scheme to fund research.

In the first case of Stuart Nash he is an emptyheaded animal foodtrough wiper. He completely overlooks the Global Financial Crisis which made many of our businesses hit hard times. He conveniently ignored the fact farmers and others had already paid a heap of provisional tax. No mention either by Nash of the PAYE and GST paid.

I really have to wonder about Labour. Traditionally this is the party of thinkers, intellectuals, ideas people, and the best they can come up with is attacking the one productive sector NZ's wealth has come from for 150 years?

Oh puleesse...

TWR you nailed it...I wonder if we ever met?