$15 minimum wage?

[mashman]

Hahaha... good one Oh, you're not joking...

Increasing wages creates more jobs?? I suspect you avoided high school "capitalist propaganda" classes

Yet the govt believed it was possible to close the wage gap with Australia ... so that would have been at the expense of jobs?

The post below says it all imho

If we really do want to catch up with Australia we need a Government with foresight that will bury the dumb arse National Party policies that think we can shrink our way to success. Sorry John Key and Bill English if you look down a spiralling vortex it is a long way down and the less you have the quicker you'll have even less again.

We want growth brothers so everyone prospers. Increase the money go round, don't try and shrink it, coz the shining light countries don't do that, only the basket cases.

The business owners that vote National need customers ya silly f....rs so the more money everyone has the better.

I went to Melbourne for most of last week and seeing the wealth there now compared to here it won't be long and won't be able to afford to visit there with the price of hotels and parking even.

As for asset sales, I'd never sell my high performing assets, best to hang onto them then paying a decent minimum wage wouldn't be a problem.

[Ocean1]

If we really do want to catch up with Australia we need a Government with foresight that will bury the dumb arse National Party policies that think we can shrink our way to success.

Yeah.

Only, we've got the biggest motherfucking deficit in history.

I'm all for spending up large, but it's what happens after you've go the money, not before. You can't spend your way out of the sort of borrowing we currently do. Or any other sort for that matter.

It's really really simple: spend less than you earn.

[FJRider]

Yeah.

Only, we've got the biggest motherfucking deficit in history.

I'm all for spending up large, but it's what happens after you've go the money, not before. You can't spend your way out of the sort of borrowing we currently do. Or any other sort for that matter.

It's really really simple: spend less than you earn.

Spending up large is what the Labour goverment wants the "low income" group to do ... and give the "High income" group the chance of a bit of it ...

[98tls]

If we really do want to catch up with Australia we need a Government with foresight that will bury the dumb arse National Party policies.

Blah blah blah,no chance Merv,the Labour governments of the recent past have already sent this country to hell,no doubt you know it your just not quite ready to announce it publicly ie the interweb.Hows the working for families thing going for ya?that in itself was a giant leap into oblivion for this country,What about the "dont discipline your children" fuck up?that seems to be working wellthe worst is yet to come.What is beyond belief they have now based an election campaign on shit like "we give a fuck about children"If your still living "welfare suburb nth of Wellington"you need to move eh,you sound like they do,talking shit and living large on the hard earned of New Zealanders.

[merv]

Lol I thought that might flush some rednecks out. Me, I'm basically a socialist capitalist. I was happy under Labour paying higher taxes and have the money go round bring some back to my pocket. Now the rates I pay to Porirua City, that's another story, dearest in the country I suspect, especially the amount I have to pay.

Haven't done my end of year tax return for this year yet but I know for sure it won't be as good as it used to be.

Go on, help the poor minimum wage worker and stop bleating about it, and grizzle about the obscene salaries of CEO's and obscene Director's fees instead.

Hmmm, ACC and Nick Smith, now what party is he with? How's does it compare to pre 2008? That's right we're all putting our regos on hold under this lovely Government and I've even sold a few vehicles to reduce my costs.

[cowpoos]

Lol I thought that might flush some rednecks out. Me, I'm basically a socialist capitalist. I was happy under Labour paying higher taxes and have the money go round bring some back to my pocket. Now the rates I pay to Porirua City, that's another story, dearest in the country I suspect, especially the amount I have to pay.

Haven't done my end of year tax return for this year yet but I know for sure it won't be as good as it used to be.

Go on, help the poor minimum wage worker and stop bleating about it, and grizzle about the obscene salaries of CEO's and obscene Director's fees instead.

Hmmm, ACC and Nick Smith, now what party is he with? How's does it compare to pre 2008? That's right we're all putting our regos on hold under this lovely Government and I've even sold a few vehicles to reduce my costs.

Socialist capitalist....hmmm....Chinas a Socialist Capitalist regime....minimum wage there would be a little low than hear???

[fuknKIWI]

Is this seditious?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...oduction-study

[merv]

Socialist capitalist....hmmm....Chinas a Socialist Capitalist regime....minimum wage there would be a little low than hear???

Keep an eye on China though, how long before they blitz everyone and their wages rise? Remember where Japan came from and earthquake aside is still a wealthy country.

Our problem is that unlike China we are on the way down, not the way up. Keeping wages down here won't help one bit unless we want to became the new slave labour economy as the current ones rocket past us as they become more wealthy.

[avgas]

Yeah maybe ... but when we are importing seasonal workers ....

And we live in an international free market - and that includes the labour market ... why do you think our workers are going overseas ???? Mabe it's because they can get more money there? Is there an undersupply of workers out there???

Import - because we have lazy sods here whom don't work. Its pretty simple if you look at unemployment figures vs seasonal work.....

Workers are going overseas to get better pay. Why do you think they come here? Nowhere has a undersupply of workers (that is a fictitious thought) but some have more jobs than others. Why? Because budgets dictate they hire more people at $X. In NZ where a company has budget (Z) to hire Y x $X = Z and you make X=X+1 simply maths pretty much says that Z stays the same (the company doesn't get a bigger budget) so if X changes so should Y.......Which means less paid hours for workers.

economics class, thinly disguised propergander for the capitalist way.
supply and demand never works in the purest way you suggest. Anyhow there is a demand out there for the workers money so increase the supply of that money by increasing their wages, simple and because there is more money then there can be more jobs created in the supply and service areas. You've solved the problem pay more

Oh go back to your free love lessons. We live in a capitalist world. Even China and Russia from the 1980's has embraced capitalism. Its not the best setup.....but its what we have got - you want something done these days chances are its easier with $.
Supply and Demand 101 never works perfectly. The same as Maths 101 is not perfect and English 101 is not what is spoken. But the principals (not rules) of Supply and Demand work pretty good.
Where does your magical amount of money come from? You can't just pay workers more money. It has to come from somewhere. You can't just pay workers more money purely on the hope that it will come back to you. Money does not work like Karma. While Karma can reward you, throwing money around won't generate you more income.
Oh wait your a socialist. So you believe the government should print more money and inject it into the system to boost the economy so you can pay workers more
That worked so well for Kenya......They had to fix that by trading in a capitalist currency........

[GPXchick]

Try owning your own business, then see if you agree with your own statement.

I do own my business and i think although the govt has good intentions and i want my workers to earn a goo crust. With GST, Kiwi saver and almost everything else rising. $15 IS WHERE THE PAY WILL STAY FOR LONGER.

Both Nat and Labour are disgusting. Don brash a muppet. God help us this next election because , National will sell us off and privitise helathcare and education for the priviledged. Labour gives money to dummies and unskilled hand out types. Don brash probably though the world was going to end the other day. Hone shit show him the closet bridge. The greens will tax you to fart. We can't win.

[oneofsix]

Import - because we have lazy sods here whom don't work. Its pretty simple if you look at unemployment figures vs seasonal work.....

Workers are going overseas to get better pay. Why do you think they come here? Nowhere has a undersupply of workers (that is a fictitious thought) but some have more jobs than others. Why? Because budgets dictate they hire more people at $X. In NZ where a company has budget (Z) to hire Y x $X = Z and you make X=X+1 simply maths pretty much says that Z stays the same (the company doesn't get a bigger budget) so if X changes so should Y.......Which means less paid hours for workers.

Oh go back to your free love lessons. We live in a capitalist world. Even China and Russia from the 1980's has embraced capitalism. Its not the best setup.....but its what we have got - you want something done these days chances are its easier with $.
Supply and Demand 101 never works perfectly. The same as Maths 101 is not perfect and English 101 is not what is spoken. But the principals (not rules) of Supply and Demand work pretty good.
Where does your magical amount of money come from? You can't just pay workers more money. It has to come from somewhere. You can't just pay workers more money purely on the hope that it will come back to you. Money does not work like Karma. While Karma can reward you, throwing money around won't generate you more income.
Oh wait your a socialist. So you believe the government should print more money and inject it into the system to boost the economy so you can pay workers more
That worked so well for Kenya......They had to fix that by trading in a capitalist currency........

whilst you might live with nose up the capitalist arse don't try to guess what I am, it just makes you more of a fail than you already are.
you statement, "So you believe the government should print more money and inject it into the system to boost the economy so you can pay workers more" is actually the capitalist system except you forgot that the government has to pay interest on that money even though it has no real value.

[jaffaonajappa]

Our problem is that unlike China we are on the way down, not the way up. Keeping wages down here won't help one bit unless we want to became the new slave labour economy as the current ones rocket past us as they become more wealthy.

Exactly - !!!!!!

[Banditbandit]

You do know those islands are built for the future tourist sector need for Dubai because they know that their ownly profitable export at the moment is oil, which will soon run out or run out of demand in the near future. They need a way to have an income in the future, and the only way to do that for a clump of sand on the earth is to make it a tourism must.

Of course trhey have not been built for the people who live in Dubai ... Such Xanadus are built for the RICH tourists who can afford to spend their money in such pleasure domes - people like you and me have no chance of affording to live in these places, or be a tourist in these places.

Dod you loo at the video mashman psoted/ A trillion dollars in building projects? And that's just what is currently being built. How much money
have completed projects sucked up aleady!!! For a pleasuere Dome - fuck, that's a huge amount of world money tied up in one small patch of sand and mud (and an-made islands) .. no wonder the rest of us are short of money ..

Whatever the motivation for building these place the RICH are spending their money there, and not recirculating what they spend in these ultimate pleasure palaces in their own countries. I'm not really blaming Dubai .. BUT such pleasure palaces are sucking up the money supply that would otherwise circulate to people like you and me!!! These are the ultimate expression of why trickle-down theory fails.

[jaffaonajappa]

Of course trhey have not been built for the people who live in Dubai ... Such Xanadus are built for the RICH tourists who can afford to spend their money in such pleasure domes - people like you and me have no chance of affording to live in these places, or be a tourist in these places.

Dod you loo at the video mashman psoted/ A trillion dollars in building projects? For a pleasuere Dome - fuck, that's a huge amount of world money tied up in one small patch of sand and mud (and an-made islands) .. no wonder the rest of us are short of money ..

Whatever the motivation for building these place the RICH are spending their money there, and not recirculating what they spend in these ultimate pleasure palaces in their own countries. I'm not really blaming Dubai .. BUT such pleasure palaces are sucking up the money supply that would otherwise circulate to people like you and me!!! These are the ultimate expression of why trickle-down theory fails.

Errr. Have you even been there?
I have three close family members that made Large money within short 12 month stints over there, IS/T and Design. They bought the money back here and upgraded virtually everything they owned - including their house in one instance. Kinda seems like the trickle down theory works ok.

[superman]

Of course trhey have not been built for the people who live in Dubai ... Such Xanadus are built for the RICH tourists who can afford to spend their money in such pleasure domes - people like you and me have no chance of affording to live in these places, or be a tourist in these places.

Dod you loo at the video mashman psoted/ A trillion dollars in building projects? For a pleasuere Dome - fuck, that's a huge amount of world money tied up in one small patch of sand and mud (and an-made islands) .. no wonder the rest of us are short of money ..

Whatever the motivation for building these place the RICH are spending their money there, and not recirculating what they spend in these ultimate pleasure palaces in their own countries. I'm not really blaming Dubai .. BUT such pleasure palaces are sucking up the money supply that would otherwise circulate to people like you and me!!! These are the ultimate expression of why trickle-down theory fails.

So the tourism industry is bad because only popular tourist destinations get money in this sector, while the countries where the tourists are from suffer? It's a wonder the NZ government even allow us out of the country!!