$15 minimum wage?

**Banditbandit** · 25th May 2011, 13:10

Originally Posted by oneofsix

whilst you might live with nose up the capitalist arse don't try to guess what I am, it just makes you more of a fail than you already are.
you statement, "So you believe the government should print more money and inject it into the system to boost the economy so you can pay workers more" is actually the capitalist system except you forgot that the government has to pay interest on that money even though it has no real value.

Hey - hang about .. pay interest on money that has no real value? What kind of a fucked system are we actually looking at? (A pretty fucked one, when you get down to it)

**avgas** · 25th May 2011, 13:12

Originally Posted by oneofsix

whilst you might live with nose up the capitalist arse don't try to guess what I am, it just makes you more of a fail than you already are.
you statement, "So you believe the government should print more money and inject it into the system to boost the economy so you can pay workers more" is actually the capitalist system except you forgot that the government has to pay interest on that money even though it has no real value.

Wasn't a guess. However I figured someone anti capitalist stuff is socialist (or communist?)..........I am happy to be proven wrong however. But your will have to do that.
And that statement was a negative one. I had no intention of suggesting it as an actual course of action.
I am not really 100% capitalist. To be honest I don't really follow any of those mantras as I think the government/politics based system is actually broken. So most of those terms don't really fit any more.
When you think about it now days an economist and an anarchist have a lot in common. Likewise Socialist policy resembles Capitalist ones (ACC anyone).....

But I am still yet to see how a company whom pays bottom dollar is going to willingly pay more for the same numbers of workers? They pay for the work not the workers. So the work done will expected to be the same per $
This means workers will get the chop and the ones that do get the rise will have to work harder to keep their job. Seen it before, and will see it again.

**oneofsix** · 25th May 2011, 13:28

Originally Posted by avgas

Wasn't a guess. However I figured someone anti capitalist stuff is socialist (or communist?)..........I am happy to be proven wrong however. But your will have to do that.
And that statement was a negative one. I had no intention of suggesting it as an actual course of action.
I am not really 100% capitalist. To be honest I don't really follow any of those mantras as I think the government/politics based system is actually broken. So most of those terms don't really fit any more.
When you think about it now days an economist and an anarchist have a lot in common. Likewise Socialist policy resembles Capitalist ones (ACC anyone).....

But I am still yet to see how a company whom pays bottom dollar is going to willingly pay more for the same numbers of workers? They pay for the work not the workers. So the work done will expected to be the same per $
This means workers will get the chop and the ones that do get the rise will have to work harder to keep their job. Seen it before, and will see it again.

you so funny. Course it was a guess. My actual position is closer to yours than you realise however I have been around long enough to have seen this same argument time and time again and the job loses don't happen due to minimum wage going up. The system is broken but it isn't the government's system.
Still why worry it all ends on October 21 or is that 22 or maybe even Dec 12 2012

**merv** · 25th May 2011, 16:20

By the way, and I asked this a while ago and got no answer, does anyone know where our ace capitalist Finn got to? I miss his comments I must say and he hasn't posted since October 2010.

**JimO** · 25th May 2011, 17:02

Originally Posted by merv

By the way, and I asked this a while ago and got no answer, does anyone know where our ace capitalist Finn got to? I miss his comments I must say and he hasn't posted since October 2010.

he went to finn land

**SPman** · 25th May 2011, 19:54

Originally Posted by Virago

I'm sick of all the pathetic bleating about Australia.

Some basic facts - New Zealand's national debt (per capita) is roughly ten times that of Australia. Servicing that debt costs us dearly. There is no magic wand to fix that.
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We only spent 1.22% of GDP in public debt-servicing in 2010 - not particularly high by world standards.
The killer in NZ is Private debt!

Raising incomes does, however impact on service sectors - anything involving paying people to do the job, invariably means higher prices. Here, in WA, costs for anything with local labour content is a lot higher than NZ - but then - the wages are even higher still, so............

the Labour governments of the recent past have already sent this country to hell

you people really do live in a little, self-contained bubble, don't you, but, feed the populace what you want them to hear and pander to their prejudices, and they'll do and say anything......the US is a good example.....they've managed to convince most of those who are being royally shafted, that, not only is it great and "the American Way", but, we'll keep on shafting you, convincing you that things like Medicare are "communist plots", and you give us everything you have, then plead to be screwed some more!
Yes, Labour could have done more, but they did a damn sight more for the "average wage earner" than the Nats did under Ruth Richardson's "guidance" in the '90's....

**Camshaft** · 25th May 2011, 20:42

Originally Posted by SPman

How long has mr superman been around? in an ideal world, this would indeed be the case - sadly, it is notable by the exception, rather than the rule....most bosses wouldn't know how to organise a shit in a dunny, let alone recognise and reward workers who pull well above their weight.

sooo very very true, thats why after 3 years of working a bullshit job after high skool i got my ass to university to get a bit of paper that licences me to print money!!!

**Virago** · 25th May 2011, 20:44

Originally Posted by Camshaft

sooo very very true, thats why after 3 years of working a bullshit job after high skool i got my ass to university to get a bit of paper that licences me to print money!!!

Is that all it takes? Let us know how it works out...

**Camshaft** · 25th May 2011, 20:46

Originally Posted by Virago

Is that all it takes? Let us know how it works out...

haha did you do a ba lol
i bet your dissapointed then.

**reofix** · 25th May 2011, 21:11

But i employ 25 people...heres the real oil... If the govt makes it to hard for me... my staff will simply be made redundant and fetch up on the dole .. i will waltz on with a new structure that reflects the cost of labour ... so less staff... if the minimum rate was $50/hr ... We would all be healthy ,wealthy and wise !!! yeah right ... god bless the labour party

**Banditbandit** · 1st June 2011, 09:15

Sometime this year, we taxpayers may again receive another 'Economic Stimulus' payment.

This is indeed a very exciting program, and I'll explain it by using a Q & A format:

Q. What is an 'Economic Stimulus' payment ?

A. It is money that the government will give to taxpayers.

Q.. Where will the government get this money ?

A. From taxpayers.

Q. So the government is giving me back my own money ?

A. Only a smidgen of it..

Q. What is the purpose of this payment ?

A. The plan is for you to use the money to purchase a high-definition TV set, thus stimulating the economy.

Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China ?

A. Shut up.

Below is some helpful advice on how to best help the NZ Economy by spending your stimulus cheque wisely:

If you spend the stimulus money at the Warehouse the money will go to China or Sri Lanka .

If you spend it on petrol, your money will go to the Arabs.

If you purchase a computer, it will go to India , Taiwan or China ..

If you purchase fruit and vegetables, it will go to Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala & The Philipines.

If you buy an efficient car, it will go to Japan or Korea .

If you purchase useless stuff, it will go to Taiwan .

If you pay your credit cards off, or buy stock, it will go to management bonuses and they will hide it offshore.

Instead, keep the money in NZ by:

1) Spending it at garage sales..

2) Going to the Football

3) Spending it on prostitutes or

4) Beer or

5) Tattoos.

(These are the only genuine New Zealand businesses still operating in NZ )

Conclusion:

Go to a football game with a tattooed prostitute that you met at a garage-sale and drink beer all day !

No need to thank me, I'm just glad I could be of help.

**oldrider** · 2nd June 2011, 07:36

Originally Posted by slofox

I have been self-employed for over 25 years. I have been an employer in two businesses.

I have never paid minimum wages - always well above. (Except to myself of course - I've always been well under minimum wage...

) I have always felt I got value for the money I paid. BUT. You have to select your staff carefully.

Like they say, pay peanuts, get monkeys.

Employment is between the employer and the employee, what's it got to do with the bloody government FFS?

They can't even run their own affairs without having the audacity to run everyone else's!

Go tell it on the gummint ... yeah that'll fix it ... every time!

Less government is what we need, not more of it!

**malfunconz** · 2nd June 2011, 08:09

15 bucks an hour .... labour always users simplistic bribes for the under masses .... there will be more you can bet on it . Buy into it or not : higher wages will be reflected in higher costs .... end of story .