$15 minimum wage?

**avgas** · 2nd June 2011, 18:25

Originally Posted by jaffaonajappa

So Medical care is an issue between the person needing medical attention, and the Insurer?

huh.... what part of that is the government? I am confused....

**phill-k** · 2nd June 2011, 18:36

Originally Posted by superman

Labour are the biggest idiots in the world. You can see them after the "dumb" vote here, trying to gain votes from low skilled workers who would instantly benefit with a 15% increase in wages due in no part to their skill/hard work.

The thought of my own job increasing $2 per hour seems ridiculous, $13 seems very nice for all I have to do and it seems overkill to increase it by so much.
There goes even the thought of voting for them!

I'd say you deserve your $13 to mate, I personally wouldn't get up to pee for that sort of money.

**jaffaonajappa** · 2nd June 2011, 18:42

Originally Posted by avgas

huh.... what part of that is the government? I am confused....

The part? A government intervenes and ensures some Minimum level of care provided regardless of wealth.

**phill-k** · 2nd June 2011, 18:43

Originally Posted by superman

Look for another job, if you prove to your boss you are working above your wage they will boost your pay especially if you can absolutely prove you are of a much higher value compared to other minimum wage earners.

If a pay rise isn't affordable then why force it upon business owners, certain jobs are not worth minimum wage whatsoever. The minimum wage should in no way be sustainable, it should make people want to reach a higher level within their careers, make them want to continue education relevant to their career path etc, etc. If you cannot afford to live on what you earn you can always go to WINZ and ask for a food grant until you've managed to get yourself an increase. No reason to burden business owners rather than burden the low skilled workers.

Don't promote laziness!

I own my own business and you are the type of person that needs the protection of the state, everyone who lives in NZ deserves to be able to live a respectable life, some unfortunately can't or don't have the ability to earn much more than the minimum wage but they do deserve to be protected from the unscrupulous employer and there are many out there. At present NZ is under attack by some washed out 70yr old has-beans whose policies have already proved that they destroy the fabric of a caring NZ but these people pursue their agendas because they don't like to share there good fortune NZ has provided them.

**avgas** · 2nd June 2011, 18:50

Originally Posted by jaffaonajappa

The part? A government intervenes and ensures some Minimum level of care provided regardless of wealth.

Do they? Or is that the perception they give you.

Lots of people out there living in street not wanting anything from the Government.

But I am still confused how does health-care = $15 wage = Government?

**jaffaonajappa** · 2nd June 2011, 19:06

Originally Posted by avgas

Do they? Or is that the perception they give you.

Lots of people out there living in street not wanting anything from the Government.

But I am still confused how does health-care = $15 wage = Government?

Who was it mentioned the Governement should have no part in the Employer-Employee deal?
The medical = wages = government example was given as an example of there needing to be some minimum / basics, for those needing them. Not sompletely user pays, but not a socialist sytem either. Something in between? Perhaps...a Humane capitalism system? Kinda like what we enjoy now? (And yeah - theres going to be some unhappy peeps commenting on that one im guessing

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**Usarka** · 2nd June 2011, 19:42

Originally Posted by malfunconz

15 bucks an hour .... labour always users simplistic bribes for the under masses .... there will be more you can bet on it . Buy into it or not : higher wages will be reflected in higher costs .... end of story .

Funny how most people forget the big buy-off that Labour pulled to win their last term.

**phill-k** · 2nd June 2011, 20:00

Originally Posted by Usarka

Funny how most people forget the big buy-off that Labour pulled to win their last term.

Better than national destroying ACC by opening up the best parts to their Aussie cronies and then selling our fundamental assets and insuring that all their profits are sent overseas thus adding to our overseas debt, remember telecom, within 9 years the owners full investment was repaid overseas and now Telecom export money annually to their owners, if NZ had retained ownership our Ultrafast broadband would not be costing us anything. You think labour cook the roost?

**dmc** · 5th June 2011, 22:10

Its one arguement that always makes me laugh, those on minimum wage that moan about how it should be higher generally aren't doing anything to improve their position so they will be worth paying more while the rest just get on with it like everyone else, those people tend to either stay in a minimum wage job and don't moan or do something about it. Like most people i started on minimum wage when I left School and worked my way up via training and hard work so why shouldn't others on minimum wage do the same? The arguement that you can't have a family and house on minimum wage doesn't fly as having kids and a house aren't a right they are something you have to work for, I know plenty of people who have had to make major concessions to have them and don't expect to get more just because others get more than them because at the end of the day they choose to have a family knowing how much it would cost.
Like most of us I bet your parents had stuff all when you were growing up and Dad probably worked 60+hr a week like everyone else until they got a better job that paid more but now it seems some people think the world "owes" them and should make 45k and work 40hrs a week or they won't get out of bed.

If your on minimum wage and trying to get a better job good on you, like most of us it takes time but you can get there, but for those that expect to get paid what they think they are worth before they have proven it expect to be either unemployed or stuck in a shit job as no one is "owed" anything and you have to make it happen yourself.

I'm fully expecting flaming but also expect most on here will agree as they have earned everything they have.

**mashman** · 5th June 2011, 23:08

Originally Posted by dmc

Its one arguement that always makes me laugh, those on minimum wage that moan about how it should be higher generally aren't doing anything to improve their position so they will be worth paying more while the rest just get on with it like everyone else, those people tend to either stay in a minimum wage job and don't moan or do something about it. Like most people i started on minimum wage when I left School and worked my way up via training and hard work so why shouldn't others on minimum wage do the same? The arguement that you can't have a family and house on minimum wage doesn't fly as having kids and a house aren't a right they are something you have to work for, I know plenty of people who have had to make major concessions to have them and don't expect to get more just because others get more than them because at the end of the day they choose to have a family knowing how much it would cost.
Like most of us I bet your parents had stuff all when you were growing up and Dad probably worked 60+hr a week like everyone else until they got a better job that paid more but now it seems some people think the world "owes" them and should make 45k and work 40hrs a week or they won't get out of bed.

If your on minimum wage and trying to get a better job good on you, like most of us it takes time but you can get there, but for those that expect to get paid what they think they are worth before they have proven it expect to be either unemployed or stuck in a shit job as no one is "owed" anything and you have to make it happen yourself.

I'm fully expecting flaming but also expect most on here will agree as they have earned everything they have.

Useless bastards eh. They lack ambition. They lack drive. You may as well shoot them if they're not going to be financially productive members of society. We can always import,,, cheaper labour.

All I'd say in their defence is that in my parents day... the cost of a pint was much cheaper in relation to earnings, as was food, electricity, gas (milk free at school, free school dinners for "poor" kids

). Trains, Buses, Ferries etc... used to cost cents. A 4 bedroom house in the burbs cost $30,000. A new car cost $8000. Rent was $45 per week. Acid was still the same price

. Fuel was abundant and very affordable... and no doubt the list goes on.......

How dare they try to be young and try to have a life at the same time

... it does seem expensive to be young these days.

**jaffaonajappa** · 6th June 2011, 00:19

Originally Posted by dmc

Like most of us I bet your parents had stuff all when you were growing up and Dad probably worked 60+hr a week like everyone else until they got a better job that paid more but now it seems some people think the world "owes" them and should make 45k and work 40hrs a week or they won't get out of bed.

Thats odd.
My parents were firmly Working class. Never worked more than 40 hrs a week. And bought houses, holidays, had kids. etc. The cost of living was a lot less relative to the 'average' wage. Not sure what the minimum wage was back then - but dont recall people struggling to afford groceries like I keep hearing about these days.

And.
I know a crap load of young people now, almost brain dead clueless farking morons....but some have potential I guess. Maybe. Theyre earning 50k+ and working less than 40 hr weeks. AND. They plead poverty, arggghhh!

And. Im not even going to mention cops or politicians.

**dmc** · 6th June 2011, 06:26

Well I don't know your position but being mid 30's now my parents and most of my friends when I was growing up generally all worked their asses off to make ends meet and most worked more then 40hrs, I've had this conversation with them before and when you compared what they earnt to what houses cost etc it was all relative (in CHCH anyway), yes houses were cheaper but then they earnt F all. Not everything was milk and honey back then as you have to remember they were having to deal with crippling interest rates on their morgages (2x3x now) so even tho houses werent as much its not like they were earning huge amounts of deposable income.
I still stand by what I say in that you have to work your way up and just upping the minimum wage isn't the answer, I can remember very well the times when I was so broke I couldn't work out how to pay the bills but I worked my way up the ladder I didn't rely on minimum wage increases to get were I am.

**ynot slow** · 6th June 2011, 20:34

Well $13hr is great if on dole,$15 will buy votes but the dole will increase under labour(course it will)so no difference there,shit only 8 years ago I was on $14hr,but was happy as bonuses were also given,time off granted,perks of job meant the money was ok.

My present job at the interview,the hourly rate was asked of me,but I deferred replying,then later the hours,days of work and rate was outlined,turned out what I was prepared to work for was $2hr less than what was offered.I am like many others who think at minimum of $13ph,the rate you're on say at $18ph is ok,but close the gap on minimum to $3ph(difference between $13 and $15)means many others will want an increase,me included,afterall paying a pimply faced git at supercheap/repco/maccas etc $15ph,it seems unfair people with sales,proper retail experience,product knowledge(not cashiers) feel annoyed.

**cowpoos** · 7th June 2011, 20:41

peoples lifestyle expectations exceed their earning ability....look at the fricken nations debt!!

nothing to do with wages....your pretty thick if thats your argument.