The wisdom behind student loans?

[jaffaonajappa]

Can't use that one anymore. Working up a mine shaft pays more than the average grad job. We keep running out of poor kids to put up there. Bastards keep getting their kids educated.

Thank god for robots. Otherwise Fonterra would have been a flop.

We could import more kids from China.....but they seem to bring their extended families too....
OOPS. Sorry !

[mashman]

Food for thought? perhaps! http://www.lewrockwell.com/slavo/slavo38.1.html

How does this relate to our own situation?

I guess it's bound to happen... tis gonna be messy too... but gold and silver will see you right

[avgas]

We could import more kids from China.....but they seem to bring their extended families too....
OOPS. Sorry !

That wouldn't work either. Govt would catch on and sting for their part either through the minimum wage or ..... import duty

[scissorhands]

It would appear that a good number here would be glad to see a return to zero education for the poor and children up mine shafts

I left high school, did an apprenticeship and ended up in Western OZ.

Made enough in 2 years to buy an inner city AK house without a morguage then retired.

Fuck uni unless your in the neurotypical gang, want prestige and glamour and want to promulgate this asshole Tory shitstem and be an 'inner circle party member', 'tool of the state' and/or 'whore of Babylon' that way you can be higher ranking chimp

[Banditbandit]

I left high school, did an apprenticeship and ended up in Western OZ.

Made enough in 2 years to buy an inner city AK house without a morguage then retired.

Fuck uni unless your in the neurotypical gang, want prestige and glamour and want to promulgate this asshole Tory shitstem and be an 'inner circle party member', 'tool of the state' and/or 'whore of Babylon' that way you can be higher ranking chimp

SHIT !!! I happen to agree with you .. I also happen to teach in tertiary eduucation ...

[scissorhands]

SHIT !!! I happen to agree with you .. I also happen to teach in tertiary eduucation ...

Thats okay, your a likeable 'tool of the state'. I'm guessing from your opinions your working for good, and are enjoying the silverback time of your life.

I'm just bitter because of rejection

not

[Banditbandit]

Thats okay, your a likeable 'tool of the state'. I'm guessing from your opinions your working for good, and are enjoying the silverback time of your life.

I'm just bitter because of rejection

not

Thanks. And I'm sure that if the state knew what I taught in my classrooms I wouldn't keep my job very long ..

[avgas]

I left high school, did an apprenticeship and ended up in Western OZ.
Made enough in 2 years to buy an inner city AK house without a morguage then retired.

You would be the only 14 year old retiree I know. Good effort regardless.
Also its mortgage.

The one thing I have figured out is it takes all sorts in this world. Even in the world of the apprentice I know of people that have fallen either side of the dollar. Comes a lot down to the person rather than the job/study.

Trick is to get yourself above the Medium and everything else you do is personal choice. After 6 years of engineering, for some unknown reason I am now considered senior for what I know (scary concept really). So I decided to go back to Uni to try something else on for size. But I have to admit going back I suddenly saw some of the cool things I liked about Uni. Pretty much a similar feeling I get when I get to do stuff with my hands. But some of the fellas and uni lap it up and love having their nose in a book.

So yeh takes all sorts in this world. To say one is better than another aloud isn't really required. People tend to make their own decisions.
I have learnt not to beat my own drum too loud these days - The day I think I am superior to them is the day I start to get myself into trouble.

[Indiana_Jones]

All of our grads are great (well in my section at least), but some uni grads I have met have such an elitist attitude, "I went to blah blah blah and studied blah blah blah", like everyone has to take notice and that the world fucking owes them something because of it

Edit: I should make it clear I have no issue with people going to uni, a lot of them are clever kids. Just some of their attitudes I find too much to bare.

-Indy

[SPman]

We should return to the pre 90's - and free tertiary education for all?

People keep quoting this at depressingly frequent intervals, as if "repitition makes true", but, I was there, and it certainly wasn't free! To me, or any of my mates. The costs,were about on par with now, but, if you had Higher Leaving Certificate, 90% of your fees were paid. Then again, the fees weren't as high as now. There was plenty of good paying, low skilled work available, however, which meant you could actually keep yourself solvent. The Freezing works, was my high paying hell of choice, but, the wharves were good, and the wool stores, or cleaning out the bilges of ships in for survey.....
Once Student Loans came in, it's amazing how fast fees went up.......

Thanks. And I'm sure that if the state knew what I taught in my classrooms I wouldn't keep my job very long

Ahhhh....one of the "interesting" teachers......

[avgas]

some of their attitudes I find too much to bare.

That isn't isolated to grads however.
I had a sparky who wouldn't listen to what I said.
"I've been doing this for 20 years....blah blah blah"
Didn't have the balls to admit that he had done it wrong for 20 years.

Grads biggest problem is the same problem most people have at that age, they don't know as much as they think they do, and don't realize it. Soon as they do, as everyone does over time (I hope) they are bloody good to have around, and do have a few good points every now and then.
I have had this problem in grads as I have with 18 year old apprentices. But that is life.

As for the 40+ year olds who don't like seeing stuff from a different angle because "they have been doing this for 20 years".......dunno what to do about that.

I mean think about what you do with your day to day life, what were you doing 20 years ago? Are they the same?

[SPman]

Just some of their attitudes I find too much to bare.
-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

That isn't isolated to grads however.
I had a sparky who wouldn't listen to what I said.
"I've been doing this for 20 years....blah blah blah"
Didn't have the balls to admit that he had done it wrong for 20 years...........

Good point and I agree. Also agree on the point you made that most grads soon learn their place pretty quickly.

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

-Indy

[avgas]

There was plenty of good paying, low skilled work available, however, which meant you could actually keep yourself solvent. The Freezing works, was my high paying hell of choice, but, the wharves were good, and the wool stores, or cleaning out the bilges of ships in for survey.....

Not to mention the all the hydro schemes / power stations that went up then etc.

But I do think there is a form of arrogance today with kids. They are too good to dig holes or pick fruit.
Right now my old man is finding it hard to get boys to work on pipe jacking rigs in chch. But with the city life killed there he is finding it hard to keep them.