Cops bashing girl - on TV2 20/20

[Virago]

Just caught up with the programme myself. I didn't get the impression she wants more money, but just wants legal justice.

By paying out in a civil settlement, the police have accepted that the violent attack was unnecessary. By getting the officer off the charge of assault and claiming "not guilty", the police have shown yet again that their primary role is to serve and protect themselves, and that they are above common law and justice.

[scumdog]

I've had a gutsfull of sorry arsed cheese-dick mofos, think you have had a bad turn of luck, get real, life is not as you would expect. I have had a mouthful of Famous Grouse and my life is so enhanced

Enjoy.

[spudchucka]

By getting the officer off the charge of assault and claiming "not guilty", the police have shown yet again that their primary role is to serve and protect themselves, and that they are above common law and justice.

According to the story a person was charged with assault but the charge was thrown out by the court due to conflicting or lack of credible evidence.

Your comments show you have a lack of understanding of the court process and even less understanding of the police organisation. Fuck off to Zimbabwe if you think things are bad here.

[Jackrat]

According to the story a person was charged with assault but the charge was thrown out by the court due to conflicting or lack of credible evidence.

Your comments show you have a lack of understanding of the court process and even less understanding of the police organisation. Fuck off to Zimbabwe if you think things are bad here.

Was gonn'a give you a Rep' point for that, but the powers that be say I have to spread some reputation around before giving it to SC again.
Guess they think somebody else deserves it more.
Must think I'm biased or something.

[Virago]

According to the story a person was charged with assault but the charge was thrown out by the court due to conflicting or lack of credible evidence.

Your comments show you have a lack of understanding of the court process and even less understanding of the police organisation. Fuck off to Zimbabwe if you think things are bad here.

Oh dear, the best form of defence is attack, eh? Sounds like you would be more at home in Zimbabwe.

I'm not anti-police. I believe that they do a bloody tough job, and have no doubt that many people they have to deal with need the proverbial "clip round the ear". I would also suspect that the victim in this case was the author of her own misfortune.

But the fact remains she was seriously assaulted, and her assailant(s) should be brought to justice. After all, being verbally abused by someone is not a valid defence for the the rest of us, if we assault that person.

Yes, the case was dismissed due to conflicting evidence. Why? Conficting evidence means someone is lying to the court, and without independant evidence, the case cannot be proven. End of case.

However, following later civil action, the police accept that they were responsible for the injuries, and issued an apology and compensation. Does this not conflict with the earlier court outcome?

Front-line police officers are only human. But if they overstep their lawful powers, they should be held accountable. Otherwise the damage to the police force's reputation is serious indeed, damage that can't be repaired by deporting all critics to Zimbabwe.

[spudchucka]

Oh dear, the best form of defence is attack,

Wrong, I just call bullshit what it is. Take it as an attack if you want to, I couldn't care less.

[Indoo]

I'm not anti-police.....

And yet somehow you make a ridiculous generalisation like this...

the police have shown yet again that their primary role is to serve and protect themselves, and that they are above common law and justice

Im very interested in how you came to this opinion which i have no doubt is based on a mass of evidence and that you have the well-documented cases to back it up?

Its just ironic how wrong you are, Police bosses love nothing more than to charge their own.

[Lou Girardin]

Thanks Spud, another incisive rebuttal that demolishes an argument instantly.
"Fuck off to Zimbabwe", well done.
There have been sufficient cases of the Police refusing responsibilty for their errors over recent years for it to be clear that it is ingrained in their culture.
Your bosses would go a long way to rebuilding public opinion with a bit of honesty. But seeing that your bosses are no more than pollies themselves it's not likely to happen.

[spudchucka]

"Fuck off to Zimbabwe", well done.

Theres a seat with your name on it waiting for you on the next plane out.

[Virago]

And yet somehow you make a ridiculous generalisation like this...



Im very interested in how you came to this opinion which i have no doubt is based on a mass of evidence and that you have the well-documented cases to back it up?

Its just ironic how wrong you are, Police bosses love nothing more than to charge their own.

If you believe that critisising any police action is anti-police, then we must accept the inevitable conclusion that the police are above us all, rather than normal humans like the rest of us. Amen.

Please Spud, are you human, or are the rumours all true?

[justsomeguy]

Will you naughty kids shut up - or I'll send you to detention and tell your parents about it.

The reason for the thread was to see the other side - unless you were there on the night you cannot say for certain who was wrong.

The girls side: Cops attacked me. I sufferred tremendously and still have emotional scars. All factors which justify her case and wanting someone punished.

The Cops side: Questionable evidence, possible drug use, lack of credibility. All factors which could have justified the use of excessive force.

End result: We don't know - only the lawyers, the cops there and the girl know. The judge doesn't really know for sure - he/she just made a very very educated guess on what happened.

[Indoo]

If you believe that critisising any police action is anti-police, then we must accept the inevitable conclusion that the police are above us all:

Yes but you were not 'critisising' any police action you were slagging off all Police in general, as being 'above the law' and only out to serve and protect themselves. And if you had any knowledge on the issue you would realise how completely wrong you are.

[speedpro]

Sometimes even without "knowing" the facts a person with a (cynical in my case) view can figure out the likely scenario. I got it pretty right with that car that fell off the bridge in Hamilton and I daresay I could (cynically) make a pretty good guess about what went on here.

You only have to live life a bit to see the scumbags that the cops have to deal with every day and to know the devious lying cheating underhand sort of lives those bastards live.

I personally think it's a symptom of the state NZ is in that the bitch got anything other than a good bashing.

[curious george]

Four police later and some Midaz

Interesting, cpos and zip ties I understand, but how was the Midaz administered? Not through a 15mg tablet you have to drink, and unless he had an IV in, that only leaves a suppo.....ewwwwwwwwwww

I really don't understand the problem with the above....
1: Cop asks you to do do something, you do it = no problem
2: Cop asks you to do something, you say 'fuck off' and lash out = you deserve a beating.
I didn't see the programme, (got taped anybody?), but my guess is she didn't follow #1. See #2 for result.
It's a simple guideline that works well for most people, not to sure why some struggle with it

[Lou Girardin]

Interesting, cpos and zip ties I understand, but how was the Midaz administered? Not through a 15mg tablet you have to drink, and unless he had an IV in, that only leaves a suppo.....ewwwwwwwwwww

I really don't understand the problem with the above....
1: Cop asks you to do do something, you do it = no problem
2: Cop asks you to do something, you say 'fuck off' and lash out = you deserve a beating.
I didn't see the programme, (got taped anybody?), but my guess is she didn't follow #1. See #2 for result.
It's a simple guideline that works well for most people, not to sure why some struggle with it

What if he asks you to do something that you don't have to do and you refuse.
Can he still beat you? And then say you "resisted".
Yes, it has happened.

I'm amazed that people still think that a Police 'bashing' is justified under any circumstances. They're allowed to use reasonable force only, just like us.
If a citizen did it, the Police are only too keen to charge them. And, yes, this has happened too.
Gordon McLauchlan once described NZ'ers as the Prussians of the South Pacific, the tendency still seems to be strong.