Gutted

[Daffyd]

Maybe you could contact SIT, (Southern Institute of Technology).
They do a pilot's course, and they also have a Zero Fees scheme.

Just a thought...

[Oblivion]

Heard ya hte first time.

The kids got a dream. He may have the perseverance to achieve it. Let him be.
And...id rather fly a Herc in NZ, than even an F35, in dingoland.

I dun wanna fly planes. I wanna fly dem new Helichoppers

[jaffaonajappa]

I dun wanna fly planes. I wanna fly dem new Helichoppers

Ahhhh.
Try the Navy too then.
Air Force train em - but you join under Navy, and their recruiting is different - slightly. Ant till the 90's arrive, Navy pilots fly the best choppas in NZ.

Also. Ask the recruiters for some leads. dont argue their decision, perhaps even agree with it, but Do ask them for some advice on what you can do to improve yourself (as they see it). They lap up that shit and love it.

[86GSXR]

Hiya. I'm an instructor at Massey and a very important quality that you need to possess to make it in aviation is perseverance.

If your academic skills are good that's a great start, sounds as if yours are so all good there.

If your heart is set on the AF, then you will impress them by taking on board what they have said and re-applying.

Wouldn't hurt to get yourself a few flying hours either, that shows committment.

Be aware though that you may be turned down again, so be prepared for that too.

If you're determined enough to fly then there are plenty of other routes, but you won't get away without a large financial committment, that's just the way it is.

Quite a few former students have joined the AF after qualifying with civiliain CPL's and IR's and are doing very nicely now.

Also, a lot of airlines are now taking on freshly qualified guys, they are bonded heavily but they're now flying A320's, 777's, 74's, etc and making good money.

There are quite a few big flight schools here now and if you persevere with one of them, you will make it.

I know lots of people just like you who are now flying big jets and turboprops, and helicopters all over the world, the demand is strong so keep at it.

Air NZ have just named Massey as one of their 'preferred providers'. Degree's are highly valued by the airlines (and the AF) so one way or another you'll probably have to get to Uni.

PM me if you like and I'll see if I can put you onto people who can give you more advice.

[Hitcher]

"Leadership" is an interesting concept. If you understand what the Air Force means by leadership you will have answered a lot of questions, like why you want to be a "pilot" in the first place.

New Zealand's Air Farce has no need for glory-boy smart-arse risk takers. Few organisations do for that matter, including the Foreign Legion. Leadership isn't about bossing people around. Understand that and you'll be halfway to wherever you want to get.

[Oblivion]

New Zealand's Air Farce has no need for glory-boy smart-arse risk takers. Few organisations do for that matter, including the Foreign Legion. Leadership isn't about bossing people around. Understand that and you'll be halfway to wherever you want to get.

Funny, thats near the same thing I said in my interview.

[tigertim20]

its a bit rough for you I guess, but anything worth having is worth working hard for. its like them girls at high school, you can nail the slut if you like, but its much more rewarding to pop little miss bible bashers cherry.

Look into something you can do that will strengthen your application when you reapply in a years time. At the very least, showing a commitment to working towards this goal might help your chances. Good luck.

[jaffaonajappa]

Funny, thats near the same thing I said in my interview.

Air Farce?
LOL. Dem flyboys hate that......

[jaffaonajappa]

"Leadership" is an interesting concept. If you understand what the Air Force means by leadership you will have answered a lot of questions, like why you want to be a "pilot" in the first place.

New Zealand's Air Farce has no need for glory-boy smart-arse risk takers. Few organisations do for that matter, including the Foreign Legion. Leadership isn't about bossing people around. Understand that and you'll be halfway to wherever you want to get.

I was inclined to climb all over your post Hitcher.
But i woke up.
I will say though, The Air Force are not adverse to risk taking, in fact I suspect they train their lads in how to calculate the risks involved, evaluate a risk, being able to explain the options available, and then following through with your decision - is more important than making the Right decision. ok ok, That is until you start the advance courses and Flying, lol.

I read this in a book. So it must be right. Right?

[FJRider]

Join the ARMY ... the cordons in Christchurch NEED you ...

What makes THEIR requirements more important than YOUR wants ... ???

[James Deuce]

Went through EXACTLY the same thing. At the end of the (almost the same) letter they asked me if I'd consider becoming a storeman.

I said fuck that, went working bought a V8, crashed it, went racing in a Datsun 160J SSS (once), crashed that, got drunk, did drugs, got laid, then settled down and got a job with better pay and study built in. Got a girlfriend and settled down a bit more. Played in a few bands and did some TV work and recorded albums and got married and went overseas, bought bikes, raced bikes, crashed bikes.

Years later I worked for Defence in an IT role. I was jolly glad I got "rejected". I was making more money, still got to play with Defence toys and had a much better standard of living than the uniformed employees. Sure I can't fly a plane and I've never fired missiles at a raghead, but that is actually something to be avoided if at all possible, not embraced with open, naive, ignorant, big giant man-child eyes.

The game's changed - move on as quickly as possible and try to avoid my "mistakes" unless they look like fun, in which case DO IT PROPERLY, not in a "I'm too cool to take this seriously" way like I did. Be obsessed and be really good at everything you do. You're a long time dead. Don't waste life on being miserable about what could have been.

[jaffaonajappa]

Join the ARMY ... the cordons in Christchurch NEED you ...

What makes THEIR requirements more important than YOUR wants ... ???

Ha. He cant join the Army.
Hes graduated from a College. And he can read.

[Oblivion]

Ha. He cant join the Army.
Hes graduated from a College. And he can read.

Ouch...... Got a friend who wants to join the Army. He can read....I think

[huff3r]

I dun wanna fly planes. I wanna fly dem new Helichoppers

So do it through a commercial operator. Sure you have to take a loan, but you will get better pay when you do get a job, and you aren't stuck in that job for 12 years.

The helicopter CPL courses i looked at before i decided on fixed wing were all just under or just over $100k, which isn't bad as long as you work hard to get a job at the end of it (and from what i hear most helicopter boys do).

It'll be nearly the same job, sure less benefits but a lot more freedom. Although i guess Officers get it different..

Also, they dont tell ya this, but with budget cuts everywhere the benefits to joining the forces keep dwindling... slowly...


To be honest i'm glad i got out when i could.
(I'm off to CTC to do their IPP course starting next week btw, Airforce wouldnt take me as a pilot cos of my eyes and i got sick of being a spanner monkey).

[Smifffy]

Today was a good day to be gutted. Don't be gutted tomorrow, that's what today was for.

Check this out:

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/royalmar...mind/index.htm

And check out the rest of the site too. Don't get hung up on the hut burning baby killing aspects, but study the underlying themes. You don't want them to think you're a psychopath when you go back.

Outward bound - I haven't done it myself, but it is looked on favourably, and people I know have gone on to great things after doing it.

I know this will sound like a drag, but learn from my mistake, and stick to your scholarship studies, a good result here will keep your options wide open. Pick an extra-curricular activity that fits around school that will help you with your goals.

Get fit. Really fit. Fit like the fitness training on the RMC site. As I read somewhere else just recently, you don't want to just meet the minimum standards, you want to bust them.

Take stuff up, like ATC, a leader's role at the scouts, drama - get a gig as assistant director or stage manager (leadership opportunities), do volunteer work, take that local job for a year after finishing school, keep going on the personal development work, keep reapplying. Read books on leadership and team development, follow blogs/websites, like Ken Blanchard's

Read up on interview techniques and psychometric testing.

Go back and show them that you know what you want, you have a plan for getting it, and that you have the determination to follow through with that plan. Don't be a know it all about it, just know your stuff.

Show them that you are a well rounded individual with all of the attributes that they want for their organisation to be successful. Know what those attributes are.

Achieve this and you will be unstoppable.

It's your career - MAKE IT HAPPEN